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Card Player and LIPS Partner for Women's Poker

More Than 40 Casinos Are Participating

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The time has come to give the woman poker player one single place to find everything poker, including information regarding the whereabouts of ladies only tournaments. That place is right here at CardPlayer.com.

I am excited to announce that Card Player and LIPS have partnered to bring our readers information specifically geared toward woman poker players. Together we have created a portal for women's poker with a variety of new and exciting programs.

You will notice a new section on the CardPlayer.com home page entitled LIPSTOUR. With just one click, you will be directed to our women's section, which will include women's tournaments, profiles, schedules, articles, and more.
Joining in our efforts to provide dynamic poker content will be Annie Duke, Linda Johnson, Jan Fisher, J.J Liu, Cecelia Reyes, Lisa Wheeler, Lizzy Harrison, Pam Brunson, and many other respected women in the poker industry. This dynamic group will write articles for women, about women, and from a woman's perspective. I am personally hoping Pam Brunson will be persuaded to write an article about her experience cashing at the main event of the WSOP while outlasting both of the other bracelet-winner Brunsons!

Our new co-branded website will offer great services for all the ladies out there wanting to learn, have fun, improve, network, and participate in ladies-only tournaments all around the U.S.

Some of the new programs include a Worldwide Women's Player Ranking System for women only events, Woman Player of the Year, player profiles, tournament schedules, featured player spotlights, articles, event results, and a ladies forum section on CardPlayer.com's popular forum.

LIPS was founded in 2004 by Ms. Lupe Soto who has since grown the organization to a group of over 8,000 women around the nation who ask to be included and updated regarding ladies-only tournaments.

"We can't think of a more natural partnership than this one with Card Player, the brand that is synonymous with poker," said Lupe Soto, Founder and CEO, Ladies International Poker Series. "Being able to provide women poker players these new services and opportunities is a huge progression in women's poker. This will help us expand our reach to women who play women's only events and secure a ranking for them as they play."

LIPS is just coming off its Grand Championship, which took place at the Orleans Casino in Las Vegas. That event marked the beginning of the women's player ranking system. Casinos that host ladies-only poker tournaments or are seeking to host them should contact CEO Lupe Soto to make arrangements to be included in this exciting new program.

Soto states, "We have more women playing poker then ever before. With the LIPS Tour, women have an opportunity to be ranked, win their way into the LIPS Annual Championship, and other exciting events just for women."

Over 40 casinos are participating in the tour, with more being added all the time. Next stops on the LIPS Tour include the Legends of Poker Ladies Event at Bicycle Casino, the Ladies of the Derby Series at Hollywood Park Casino, the Gulf Coast Poker Championship at the newly resurrected Beau Rivage Casino in Biloxi, and always a favorite, the California State Ladies Championship at Ocean's 11 Casino. Any casino wishing to participate in the tour can still be added. For details and how to get involved, click on LIPS at the CardPlayer.com home page.

I invite all you ladies out there to check back often and watch our women's section grow! If you would like to be involved in our efforts, contact me with your ideas at allyn@CardPlayer.com.
 
 
 
 

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cardmary
14 years ago

interesting that cardplayer would choose to align themselves with the LIPS group. did you know that at the orleans (las vegas) in the warm up event before the 'championship' they took more juice out of the total prize pool than they paid out for lst place? sound like a good deal to you??

when myself along with several other women complained about this to lupe soto she tried defending it. when i told her this was the worst tourney ever..she told me to go find another one (tourney i guess).

yes, just a great response.

cardmary

 
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LIPSChick
14 years ago

The Warm Up event at the Orleans Open was meant as a learning experience for those that haven't played or rarely play stud, omaha or limit holdem. It was designed to be a low buy in tournament.

Advertised as:
$50 + $15 and ONE $15 rebuy - $5 add on chip for Dealers. $330 will be taken from the prize pool for winner's seat to the Championship the following day.

$50 + the Rebuys all went to the prize pool. The house took $15 to run the tournamnent and since the pool was so low, and the dealers were going to work from 11am to 3am the next morning, the $5 optional add on was a dealer toke. A common practice at the Orlean's Casino.

 
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perryrose
14 years ago

Unbelievable. I thought cardplayer was a reputable site, yet here I see fast talking, manipulating, Lupe Soto has fooled another victim.
Tsk, Tsk. Women Beware!

 
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Linda Johnson
14 years ago

I hope that the women's section on Card Player's site becomes very popular. The negative comments are a bit disappointing and I hope we can all realize that it is important to support for women to support other women in poker. The negativity will make all women look bad.

 
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CincyLady
14 years ago

Linda, Keep advised that there are certain factions who's leader is green with envy, these are IMO, the same small minority of women who after LIPS brought many women into such events, in my opinion, went and fixed it so that LIPSTour events are not longer associated with the WSOP events.

I already recognize at least one name on that least (perry rose) from that faction.

I think what cardplayer is doing is wonderful, and I makes me respect them even more, for signing up with the LIPSTour.

I sure hope that a few women's envy, voices who are in the minoirty, won't diswuade CardPlayer.

I know I for one wouldn't be where I am today, both in personally, and in poker, without Lupe Soto and the LIPSTour.

 
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Linda Johnson
14 years ago

Hi CincyLady,
Thanks for your post. You are certainly correct that there are many women's poker groups. The point I am trying to make is that if women want to be respected in poker, we need to portray a positive image and support each other.

I don't understand why we have to choose one group over another...why can't we all work to lift the image of women in poker? I support all women's poker groups and will be happy to help any of them with seminars, input, participating in their events, etc. There is no reason to knock any particular group because by doing so, it hurts all women in poker.

I admit that there was a time when I was not in favor of women's tournaments because I felt like women could compete with the men and didn't need separate tournaments. I have come to realize that there really is a need for women's-only poker tournaments...many women are not comfortable enough to enter an open event and they can get experience and enjoyment from playing in ladies events. I enjoy hosting seminars for women around the country and believe me, there are many great women poker players. I hope we can all work together to promote women in poker.

 
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Maryann
14 years ago

Linda, your comments are correct and I think its unfortunate that CincyLady is coming on here and trying to knock down other women's groups. I also agree that it would have been better for everyone to work together if there is to be a central repository, and involve groups such as the LPA, who, in the past few months also announced the creation of a ranking system for women's poker.

However, the first comment on here was from a concerned player and it was not addressed properly. There are concerns from some participants about the way LIPS tournaments have been administered. It isn't simply a matter of choosing one group over another. Players have rights and expectations when it comes to their money. I sincerely hope that in the interest of promoting women into poker, Cardplayer will ensure these events are run better in the future.

 
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lamsdrawkcab
14 years ago

I for one am disappointed in CP's decision. I believe that it's important to have WOE's - for the same reason Linda stated, " ...many women are not comfortable enough to enter an open event and they can get experience and enjoyment from playing in ladies events." However, what reallly bothers me about the decision to have CP team up with LIPS is two-fold. Number one is the fact that they have teamed up with Lupe Soto & her LIPSTour. IMO Lupe is not necessarily trying to raise up women in poker, she is in it for the money. The reason I say that is because she adds an extra fee for women to play in her tournaments. Not only does she add an extra fee, but she HIDES it! To me that is not fair to the women out there that don't know better and is detrimental to women. Number two is that the LPA announced the creation of a Ranking System just a short time ago. If we're all about everyone working together for the greater good of "Women in Poker" then why is this being done ONLY by CP & LIPS??? To the outside world it simply shows that women are competing AGAINST one another to accomplish the same thing... another reason for them to gufaw at women in poker and not take us seriously.
This post is NOT about one group being better or worse than another... This post is simply MY OPINION.
In conclusion, I will not play in a LIPSTour Event if they continue to skim off the top. I believe that it's unethical and extremely detrimental to the women out there who are starting out and only feel comfortable in WOE's.

 
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NancyR
14 years ago

Thank you so much for such a wonderful chance to play poker with women. Isn't it wonderful to see so many events by many different clubs for womens only tournaments. Thank you Ms Soto and Linda Johnson for your hard work. Women who have never played much poker can now go to these events and enjoy playing poker with other women. I wish you both very much luck with this adventure. Come on out ladies and play poker with a fun group of ladies who will help you relax and enjoy the game. Every LIPS tourny I have ever played in has been fun.

 
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cardmary
14 years ago

in response to LIPSchick....

are you saying because the 'warm up' event at the orleans was meant to be a 'learning' experience, it's perfectly fine to rob us blind??? are you saying LIPS took NO MONEY from the prize pool? are you saying the orleans took the whole 30% juice?

FYI..when the orleans runs tourneys that have dealer option add on..it is done BEFORE the tourney starts..NOT announced at the break when people are adding on. in other words, the usual MO for the orleans is to let people know IN THE BEGINNING where their money is going.

in ending...i also would like to know if it's common practice that lupe soto outshouts everybody when queried.

cardmary

 
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zupko2001
14 years ago

Allyn. I agree that womens poker needs to be in the forefront and given the attention that it deserves. I also believe as Linda does and that there should be womens events to boost women up and give them the confidence they need to move on in poker. The addition of separate ranking systems, hall of fame etc... moves us in the opposite direction of further segregation and gives comments like that of bmpek credibility. We need education and experience not being trapped into womens only events with out the courage and skills to move forward.

 
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CincyLady
14 years ago

First of all, I don't knock any group, women or otherwise who try to work together to advance the cause of getting more women into poker, yet I don't see you (MaryAnn) saying anything to perryrose, in regards to her comments about Lupe either.

I also agree with Linda that we ALL need to work as a team, and not let petty jealousies interfere with that fact, and to not do so, does indeed make all of us look bad.

Lupe has done a LOT to that end, and is active and creating events and opportunities around the country at affordable prices for women only events, in order to bring more women into poker.

I for one think this is a good thing, and I support both card player, the LIPSTour, as well as ANY group for that matter, that is willing to put on affordable ladies only events in local casinos where women can come and play and learn the game of poker.

 
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zupko2001
14 years ago

Here is my question to all of you. Should we as women in the poker industry continue to be a joke to the rest of the community? Or should we step up, put our big girl panties on and play poker? WOE's are good in my opinion but adding all the fluff and nonsense traps women in to only play WOE's and never to move beyond that. I think we are entitled to more and sell our selves short by promoting any tournament with prejudice as the end all be all of poker.

 
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laxie
14 years ago

Knew this article would open another can of worms. Everyone has the same goal...to introduce women to the world of live poker. CardPlayer's involvement is perfect because women will get details of both WOE and mixed events and can decide from there. It's a pity there has to be an 'us and them' mentality because it does more damage than good. United you stand and divided you fall.

 
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artquilter
14 years ago

Here in my part of the midwest I have worked very hard to gain respect in poker rooms; still, there are some local men who would cheer this recent development.

For some years I was involved in competitive tennis on a local and regional level, as were several of my daughters. Billie Jean King vs. Bobby Riggs notwithstanding, the division of the sexes in that field has basis in physical reality. Same is true of baseball, football, basketball and golf, though in the latter one of my daughters is routinely asked to play in the men's leagues when they are missing a fourth--she is that good.

To date, I know of no major sport (yes, I consider poker to be a sport) where the playing field is even between men and women despite anatomical differences--one of the many reasons I love the game.

I come from a generation of women who, when seeking employment, had to look through the classified ads that listed men's and women's opportunities separately. For women, the fields were teaching, nursing, secretarial, waitressing/hosting at restaurants, and retail sales. We were all either Miss or Mrs., while the men were all Mr. no matter what their "status". The generic Ms. was not introduced until 1972, a fact that very few women under the age of 45 know these days.

For all these reasons, I have recognized the need for Women Only events. However, because of the level playing field described above, my hope was such events would finally become a thing of the past, would no longer be neccessary. Consequently I am concerned about the creation of a sub-industry which could have unforeseen ramifications. What if a man should decide to enter a WSOP event? What would happen? What sort of precedent would be set?

To come full circle, I would be devastated if I walked into one of my favorite poker rooms and be told that there are no "Ladies" events available--just "Gentlemen" only.

I sincerely hope my fears don't come to pass.

 
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artquilter
14 years ago

Pursuant to my post below--I typed in "LIPS" and WSOP appeared--what's that about? Should I have said "lips"?

 
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NancyR
14 years ago

A funny story for you ladies. Years ago we held a Ladies only tournament at a native casino. The men wanted to play so the poker room manager said come in a dress and you can play. On the day of the tournament every man showed up in not only a dress but makeup, wigs and high heels. It was the best time ever!! Everyone had so much fun that it was held for 3 more years with TV coverage and newspaper storys in many towns around the state. Sadly it was stopped by the council members who were jealous that the men looked better than most of the women :)

 
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perryrose
14 years ago

For the record...My comments were NOT based on a "them vs. us" mentality. I think WOE's are important for many reasons; on the other hand, it is also important that they be held ethically and with respect towards the women who play in them. My opinions of Ms. Soto are based on her inability to run tournaments in this manner...and my opinion of cardplayer for joining forces with a less than legitimate organization is just that. I support ALL women in poker...no matter which womens group they are affiliated with.

 
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gylaw
14 years ago

I have a great story about Allyn. She has been a great supporter of WOE's for a number of years. My first WOE tourney in Tunica, I sat next to Allyn for hours. The rookie that I was, I asked her if she played much....her answer "Not as much as I want to play." She asked me and of course I said it was my first. My point is....my very first tourney proved to be a great learning experience getting to play with such a great ambassador for poker. The next year, I was fortunate enough to play at the same table with Linda Johnson. There were 13 of us left. My thoughts were not of winning the tournament, but sitting at the table with the first lady of poker, a WSOP Champion. I was like a songe, soaking up every ounce of knowledge and experience I could. I thank Allyn, Linda, Jan, JJ and others for knowing that their presence at the WOE's only progresses the experience level for women who play beside them. And I thank Lupe. She has gotten us futher then anyone else has! Then finally, thanks to Card Player for believing that we all will keep coming back!

 
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Allyn_Jaffrey_Shulman
14 years ago

Hi, it's Allyn here. I am delighted to see this discussion. Thanks for all the comments! As most of you know, I have been a criminal defense attorney for about 25 years. There still exists a 'good ole boys' club in the courthouse. There will be woman who are comfortable in that arena and others who are not.
The same is true of the poker industry. Some women are perfectly content to play WOE's. Some women REFUSE to play in them and some of us, enjoy both.
There should be no negative judgment about anyone's choice. It is unkind ro suggest that all woman MUSTstrive to play in tournaments with men. It is not the decision of anyone BUT the individual woman.
I am delighted to play in LIPS events. I enjoy the camaraderie, the silliness, the prizes, the laughter, the poker and the new friends. I have also placed in the main event of the WSOP. My point is that both experiences are GREAT. CardPlayer chose Lupe and LIPS because they are tried and true. I have played in many LIPS events where everyone has a wonderful time. Lupe has done an amazing job of supporting woman's interest in poker by providing an affordable, accessible and rewarding experience across the counrty. I pursuaded the CardPlayer team that the "poker authority" does not live up to its name if there isn't a thriving woman's section.

 
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minxkitten
14 years ago

ms.cardmary seems to take offense that the LIPS tour has any income from the events it sponsors and promotes. seriously???
i mean c'mon everyone has to make a living. do you think card player should post in the corner of each ad how much the advertiser paid for it. do you think each slot machine and poker table should have a counter that shows how much money is made per hour? trust me, poker is a businness for many entities and ms.soto and her staff work LONG LONG hours to plan, promote, organize, assist players, host casinos, etc, etc. and many of the casinos, DO post what perentage of the buy in goes to LIPS (such as the Bike) which i don't think they should. and as a side note ALL the announcements about the orleans HOE event showed the extra $5 for the dealers, that was never announced in the middle, maybe you just weren't paying attention. but seriously, WHO in their right mind would do all that work for nothing, NOBODY. ms.soto has done more to provide opportunities for women to have fun and play poker than ANYONE in the industry. with an open heart and a creative mind. so i encourage you nay sayers to put your jealousy aside and be a team player. and hey if YOU wanna work for FREE i'm sure she'll take volunteers.

 
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cardmary
14 years ago

ms. minxkitten...i never said an organization such as LIPS or any other shouldn't make money. maybe you should read a little more closely. LIPSchick said the HOUSE..i.e..the orleans took the juice intimating that LIPS got zip for the warm up event.

you're right..it wasn't announced in the middle about the dealer $5.00 toke..it was announced at the END of the add on timeframe. the BIG poster in the orleans pokerroom never said the dealer's were getting that $5.00 add on. i guess these poor harding working people at LIPS and/or the orleans couldn't find it in their hearts to share their THIRTY PERCENT JUICE with the dealers.

times are tough i know. as a side note, there were so many mistakes made during this warm up event....you should have paid US to play.

cardmary

 
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ksyaddle
14 years ago

Thank you Card Player and LIPStour for doing this. When I started playing holdem, there wasn't an outlet for women in poker in my area. At the casinos I played at in the northeast, there were no real women's events. I didn't play in my first WOE until 3 years after I started playing mixed tournaments. I was excited when the casinos in my area started holding weekly or monthly women's tournaments...they are fun and a nice breather from the mixed tournaments I've always played in.

I was excited when a monthly women's poker magazine came out and hurried to subscribe to it...and was very upset at how untimely it was. I'd receive one and then 4 months later receive an issue I should have received 3 months ago. I'm very glad to see Card Player become more involved in the women's poker scene. It is the magazine I respect most and the one I read. I unfortunately think many of the negative comments here are due to the fact that you are adding a women's section to your magazine that may outshine a certain "club" who is "involved" in a women's poker magazine. It is a shame that there needs to be so much bickering here. We should all be working together no matter what women's poker forum or women's poker association that you belong to. I happen to belong to two women's poker forums and support ALL WOEs in my area, no matter who the sponsor is...I wish others would learn to do the same.

Wishing Card Player and LIPStour the best of luck.

 
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zupko2001
14 years ago

First there is no "club" associated with the magazine. The club I assume you are referring is of women who enjoy poker just like yourselves. They hold no ties to the magazine you mentioned which is bimonthly. If you want to take pot shots then so be it but direct them towards individual opinions not towards any club as that has no bearing. My opinions are here. I am here. If you want to address them please feel free.

 
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ksyaddle
14 years ago

Well I'm sorry if I mispoke but please, no attacking me. I'm here like every other woman...to better myself in the world of poker and most of all, to have a bunch of fun doing it. The reason I thought that there was a "club" associated with it is because of the big advertisement from them in almost (or all) issues of the magazine. Also, if you go to the magazine's forum...there is a big link to this certain women's poker forum...hence my thought they were "associated". Easy to see why one might make that mistake.

I don't think it's required that I be a fan of every poker magazine out there. As I see by your "name" you use to post here, I am guessing that you are part of the magazine I questioned below as well as a part of the "club" I mentioned in my previous post. I don't know if you can be un-biased enough to respond to any comment here. I see below that you criticize the "fluff" being added to WOEs...the magazine I've questioned includes it's own fluff as well...just because we are woman players, do you really think we want to read our horoscopes or read the recipes enclosed? When I open a poker magazine, I'm looking for interesting articles dealing directly and about poker without any fluff added. If card player adds a section in their magazine about women's poker...I'm hoping it will have the same tone as the rest of their magazine...interesting and informative, no fluff needed. I know that LIPStour has prizes added that some might see as fluff, and not having played in one myself I can't comment on this, but I have talked to many women poker players in my travels and the ones that have played in a LIPS event seem to have left having a positive experience whether they made it to the money or not. It sounds as if those running the events make all the women players feel like winners, encourages them to improve their game, and best of all gives them the confidence to move into the "mixed" poker world. I know many women that started out playing WOE's only and even though they've now moved on to mixed events, still play in WOE's as they find them very competitive and completely fun.

Once again...I was not taking "pot shots" at anyone. I'm here in support of women's poker and just feel that some of the comments below are completely negative and not helpful in what is trying to be accomplished by card player and women players everywhere.

 
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laxie
14 years ago

How can you say a club and a magazine 'are not associated' when both are owned/operated by the same person and each is promoted by the other? Ya know I have no ill feelings towards you Zuppie. Let's not pretend the women out there can't add 2+2. I was there too, ya know.

I don't have a problem with either side asking genuine questions, but won't sit back when I see blatant lies being spewed.

 
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minxkitten
14 years ago

Just FYI, i asked a question about the Woman Player Ranking system and was told that ALL WOMEN ONLY TOURNAMENTS that meet the minimum requirments will be taken into accout for the player rankings, not just LIPS Events. LPA events, casino sponsored events, international ladies events, etc. Groups and Casinos will need to submit thier event and RESULTS and their qualified winners will get points. now isn't that nice....all the information in one place!!! Can't wait to see just WHO will be the FIRST WOMAN PLAYER OF THE YEAR!!!

 
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Chernie
14 years ago

I am interested in more information on the L I P S Events but I want clarification before I go any further into the discussions on it. I just want my questioned answered, not the pros and cons or why it is done. Here is the question:

Is it true that L I P S took more than what 1st place was playing?
Exactly what is the rake that L I P S takes?

 
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cardmary
14 years ago

to all who are interested..
i wish i had saved the print out for the payouts to the warm up event at the orleans. this is what i remember...total monies collected was over $11,000. money taken out for WHATEVER was over $3000.
prize for FIRST place in that tourney was UNDER $3000. so when all the dust clears...that to me means JUICE was more than lst place paid. any LIPS rep may correct me if i'm mistaken.

i have no personal ax to grind. i don't even know these people. i am just telling it like it is. rather than wasting time with aspersions..insinuations and all the rest why doesn't ms. soto or some other LIPS person respond to this???

furthermore..the 'orleans open' has had a WOMEN'S event EVERY year..with no association with LIPS or any other organization. it ran just fine. i personally played in several of them. we didn't pay any higher juice than collected for their other events either. anybody want to tell me why it was necessary to associate with LIPS for an event that had already been established for YEARS.

cardmary

 
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minxkitten
14 years ago

i don't know the exact numbers on that tourney, you should contact LIPS directly if you want them. but i know LIPS did not take more than first for themselves. i believe the issue was the total out, between the casino fees, the $5 for the dealers plus the LIPS percentage on a SMALL buy-in tourney. i know from other published events the LIPS portion is usually $5-10 from the ENTRY FEE, NOT the prize pool ever. hope that clears it up for you. visit www.lipstour.com and i'm sure you can email them from there if you have any other questions. i've played in probably 80% of the LIPS tour events and have NEVER had a complaint and have always had a good time getting to know the fun ladies. my question is, why the heck am I not a LIPS TOUR CHAMPION if i've played in so many???lol!

 
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jebber99
14 years ago

For the life of me I'll never understand why Women's poker tourneys get people's dander up so. If you don't like them, ignore them. I've never heard such bickering, btching, and general carrying on in my life. If you don't like playing in LIPS tourneys go find someone else's tourneys to play in. Of course unless you are from California you might have a hard time doing that. Why is that? Because no one is promoting WOE's in the rest of the country. That is no one except Lupe. She works hard setting these up and, YES, it is her livlilihood. That is certainly no secret.

I've been playing in LIPS events for several years and will continue to do so. LIPS is the one constant that has been on the Women's Poker scene.

About the accounting behind the tournaments. I've played in many tourneys that had questionable accounting. Instead of banging on Lupe why don't you put your energies into getting that Poker Board that writes the standards for tournaments to delevelop a disclosure statement for the distribution of funds and prize pools. Agreeing to the standard could be optional but then you could choose whether or not to play in those that aren't making full disclosure. That would solve this problem.

Thanks for adding us to your site, Cardplayer. There are plenty of us that will support you 100%.

 
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laxie
14 years ago

*sighs* I'm worn from it. We're all here for women's poker. We should be celebrating CardPlayer's willingness to join forces and acknowledge it...but instead we'll beat a dead horse.

 
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NancyR
14 years ago

After all the dust has settled from this storm, I would like to congratulate Card Player and LIPS! I wish you both luck and great success with your joint venture. Women from all over the world need these tournaments to start them on their way to bigger adventures. Thank you so much!!!

 
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Jan Fisher
14 years ago

Hi,
I have been following this thread with interest and since I am a player and a tournament director, I can understand both sides of the issue. As a player, I don't like paying 30% juice, but as a tournament director, I know that the house must take $20-$25 minimum per person on a tournament just to break even. Unfortunately, this means that players competing in low-limit buy-ins must pay more of a percentage than players who play in higher buy-in events. Apparently the LIPS event in question had a $50 buy-in plus $15 fee to the house. I would bet that the Orleans lost money on this tournament, even though the juice was 30%. For $15 per head, the Orleans provided unlimited drinks, cocktail waitresses, dealers, tournament personnel, poker equipment, air conditioning, electricity, etc. from 11am until about 3am. Although no one likes paying the juice, when you look at the value the customers got, it truly was a steal. Those who "went the distance" had the opportunity to play poker for about 15 hours for a very modest fee. How much rake would that same player have paid had she played live?

I hope I have helped to shed some light on why the house takes such a high percentage juice in low-limit events. The same holds true in live cash games... like it or not, reality is that the low-limit players pay a much higher percentage rake than high-limit players. For example, the house takes $4-$5 per hand whether there is $50 in the pot or $5,000. Many cardrooms today will not spread low-limit buy-in events because they make more money by offering higher buy-in events with $40-$100 juice per player. The costs of running the event are often about the same whether it is a small or a big buy-in event.

I am a proponent of women's-only events for many of the reasons other posters have stated. I hope we can all work together to support ALL women's events.
Jan Fisher
Cardplayercruises.com

 
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LIPSChick
14 years ago

First I want to say that the HOE event was the very first buy in with a rebuy that would total under $100 event LIPS has ever done. We wanted this HOE event for a learning experiece at a nominal price based on the numerous suggestions from players to put one together.

I don't have the house paper work either, but I have reconstructed it based on the following: (These would be the amounts for the tournament if each player bought the One rebuy and the Add on dealer toke - and I am not exactly sure if everyone did... so cut me a little slack)

$11,560 Total Monies Collected

$65 x 136 = $8,840 Prize Pool
($50 buy in + $15 rebuy)

$15 x 136 = $2,040 House Fee
$5 x 136 = 680 Optional Dealer Toke

Total HOUSE = $2,720

Total Prize Pool to the Players = $8,160

This is the payouts that the players received.

1- $2,465 + $330 Championship Seat = $2,795
2- 1445
3- 850
4- 680
5- 595
6- 510
7- 425
8- 345
9- 295
10-260

As it's been explained, on a lower buy in tournament, it is higher percentage to the player. (I had to go to the experts myself to get the explanation) That being said, we will most likely increase the buy in for any future mixed game tournaments so it's a better value for the player. And, if women continue requesting a small buy in to learn these games, we'll most likely offer an affordable lesson with an expert in the field and a few dealers for a practice tournament.

I am a Tour Director... not a Tournament Director. All tournaments are run by the hosting casino's tournament staff. The Orleans did a fabulous job with our tournaments and the championship event fees were the same as all the $300 buy ins. LIPS' participation in the Orleans Open did not increase the costs to any of the players. And it was a wonderful, well run and well supported event that we will enjoy providing next year!

Lupe Soto

 
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LIPSChick
14 years ago

Hmmm... I posted that with all the amounts listed in a nice row, but I guess the software doesn't allow it! Sorry!

Lupe

 
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cardmary
14 years ago

thanks to those who posted finally with some answers. this wouldn't have been dragged out if that had been done in a timely manner.

FYI to jan fisher..they had several tourneys running at once the day of the HOE event at the orleans in the main ballroom. it wasn't just for the HOE event. i think we can rest easy with the assurance that the orleans didn't lose any money because of the HOE event. matter of fact..they must have done so well they shared juice with LIPS and didn't even have to raise it! (juice)

according to ms. soto LIPS didn't cost the players any extra money. WOW...this is a first. why would the orleans provide all this and then give LIPS money too?? oh well....i never cease to be amazed.
by the by...ms. soto did you take that $100 bounty on you out of your own pocket??
i wish good luck to ALL women no matter what kind of tournament they participate in. gets a little tiresome to see mostly 20 something young guys on TV...we are so under-represented.

 
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Chernie
14 years ago

Thanks for answer Lupe, much appreciated. Just one more question.
Did L I P S or yourself get a rake or payment whatsover for this event?

 
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jebber99
14 years ago

Thanks for posting Jan. It was well said. Lupe thanks for posting the details. I hope these posts will put all this to rest so we can get on with the celebration of Cardplayer recognizing Women's Poker on their site!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
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dizziartist
14 years ago

Conrats to Lips and CP. Very exciting for women! Lupe I am keeping my fingers crossed that you get LIPS into Casino Niagara soon. I can't wait to play in a LIPS tourney I have heard nothing but good things about them. Jan and Linda, my husband and I breifly talked with you at Casino Niagara when you were both on a break, you are both outstanding womenAnd watching you play was truely a pleasure! I am an internet player because of the lack of confidence to play live and mostly with men. My casino holds a womens tourney once a month and I have been to 3 (cashing in 2). The other night I played in a 10 player sng at the casino and I was the only woman at the table. WOE have helped my confidence so much. All I can say is... Lupe you go girl! I got your back..
Hugs,
dizzi :)

 
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Linda Johnson
14 years ago

Hi Dizzi,
Thanks for your kind words. I'm glad you have gained the confidence to play in the casino and encourage all women to try playing in mixed events as well as WOEs once they feel they are ready to do so. The casino environment has changed greatly since I started playing decades ago. Today it should be a pleasant experience for women in the cardrooms and remember if anyone gives you a hard time or is rude, the floor people are there to back you up if needed.
Linda Johnson

 
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survivor
14 years ago

This is FANTASTIC news! Congrats to LipsTour and Lupe for a great merging effort of two successful poker entities. Of course I knew it was coming but was sworn to secrecy until the offical announcement...lol. The tiresome work that often goes unrewarded is now being recognized on a national level. I know from experience that the work that goes into presenting a poker tour such as LipsTour is a full time job and a frustrating one at that. I've often seen Lupe ask her own family to jump in and fill vacant spots at registration tables, running errands, passing out informational sheets about the events structure, vendors information etc. The complaints against a few selected events are so unwarranted and unnecessary when you dont fully understand the work behind putting on such a large event. Many times it is a struggle to get a casino to just TRY a WOE. This is why it is SO important to support ALL the efforts of every organization out there struggling to bring WOE to all parts of our great country. CardPlayers choice in supporting a womens poker tour is such a HUGE step in the BIG picture of creating an atmosphere that one day will present the first woman winner of a major title! Look out WPT and WSOP, because we're coming, and we're coming in big numbers!! My sincere hopes and wishes are that this merger will create good will among all womens poker forums, clubs and magazines to work and support one another. Let's not be petty in trying to pick apart the very hard work and efforts that are often supported by volunteers and the players themselves. Fortunately this is a FREE country, and we have many options in life including freedom of speech and freedom to play poker everywhere except on line...lol.

 
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WheelerDealer
14 years ago

First of all I have played in the LIPS Tours and have moneyed in them as well.

Secondly, I don't care how the women get noticed in the Poker World as long as they do.

Thirdly, I worked in the industrial sales field in the early 70's when women were considered to be only good to be kept pregnant and barefoot. As a matter of fact I was the first woman on the road selling industrial hardware and tools and I made a killing because 1, the men loved to take time off to go to the pubs and 2. a lot of buyers were glad to see a woman instead of a man. However, I still had to prove myself before they took me seriously.

I see the LIPS Tours as a proving ground for all women who want to break into the poker world. Some women will move on to play in mixed games and some, who don't feel they can play at a table with men, will stay with the women's only games.

I think that this back stabbing and falderall is a crock. If Mariane, Zupko, Perryrose and the rest want to rag on something that makes them jealous go do it somewhere else.

You have tried many times to "take Lupe down" and still have not succeeded. Give it up, get a life and let's all be grateful that there are places for women players to play, learn and gain confidence enough to move into the "man's" world of poker.

I for one will support anything that moves the spotlight onto women poker players. That will continue the fight that the likes of Linda Johnson, Barb Enright, Cathy Hulbert among others started, unbeknownst to them, for women around the world to get involved in poker.

The childishness of this bickering does not become anyone and only makes the "Cat Fight" syndrome that men hate become stronger.

 
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Linda Johnson
14 years ago

Hello Ladies,
I am giving a seminar on "Fine Tuning Your Poker Skills" at Argosy Casino in Lawrenceburg, Indiana on Thursday Aug 16 at 6:30 pm. Please email me at Linda@cardplayercruises.com if you would like to attend and I will be happy to get you a ticket. Linda Johnson

 
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Linda Johnson
14 years ago

I just returned from a charity event in Indiana. You can read about this wonderful organization at http://mickeyscamp.com/. Most of the women had never played poker before but they picked it up quickly and are starting their own poker leagues. We had a successful poker tournament with lots of spectators sweating the final table. Hope to see you there next year. Linda Johnson

 
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