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Suspensions, Bans May Come to Men in Ladies Event at the 2010 World Series of Poker

WSOP Says There Will Be Consequences for Men Entering Today's Tourney

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The Rio hosts the 2010 WSOP.Men who entered the 2010 ladies event at the World Series of Poker could face a possible suspension or ban from future WSOP events, WSOP Communications Director Seth Palansky told Card Player today.

More than a half-dozen men are confirmed to be playing in the annual ladies tournament, and some estimates on the floor are that the number of men who entered the event is in the double digits.

In a tongue-in-cheek comment, Palansky called the development “great news,” before saying there will be consequences for any male who entered the event.

“We will have our repercussions against any man that entered the ladies tournament,” said Palansky. “There are consequences for actions, and they’ll pay the price.”

Palansky said tournament organizers couldn’t legally prevent any men from entering the event. They have discouraged men from doing so in the past, and discouraged entries again this year. Men have participated in ladies events at the World Series in past years, but never to this magnitude.

“We can’t prevent anyone from entering a ladies tournament. If they’re scumbags, they’re scumbags,” said Palansky. “The good news is at the World Series of Poker, we have the right to refuse service to anyone at any time at any point that we deem, as operators of the event.”

When asked if there could be anywhere from a year ban to a lifetime ban for the male entrants, Palansky simply responded: “Stay tuned.”

An official entrant list, with the number of men who entered the event, is not yet available.

David Sesso, primarily an online player who also won a WSOP Circuit event in Indiana last year, is one of the men playing in today’s event. He entered with a group of his friends, but claimed to be the one who came up with the idea.

When asked why he entered a ladies event, Sesso said, “When a girl wins a regular event, she gets all this attention. When a guy wins an event, it’s still pretty cool, but you don’t get nearly this much attention.”

Sesso says he was discouraged a few times from registering for the event, but didn’t say if any specific punishments were discussed.

“The lady at the cage kept letting me know that it was a ladies event, but I just stuck with it and got in,” said Sesso. “I was pretty much the first one (out of my group) to start talking about (entering the event). Some of them went really far with it and dressed up like girls.”

Kathy LiebertWhen the first male entry busted from the field, the Pavilion reportedly erupted in cheers.

Kathy Liebert, widely considered one of the best female poker players with nearly $5.7 million in tournament winnings, said she understands the reasoning behind the guys’ decision, but still thinks they should’ve sat this one out.

“It’s a ladies-only event, so the guys should probably just stay away,” said Liebert, who said the men’s decision to enter the event reflects a little bit on their character. “Why play it? What are you trying to do? It seems like they’re just doing it for themselves.”

 
 
 
 

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dragondogg
over 4 years ago

I think it is all very silly, why do the women need there own event ? a lot of them are just as good as any men poker players some better. If you had a men only event, the women would flip out. it should be poker events period.

 
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TheFly
over 4 years ago

I don't see a problem with women only events considering in any single tournament women probably make up less than 10% of the field, maybe even less. If poker tournament fields were 50/50 men/women then it probably wouldn't make sense to have a one gender only tournament. Having a womens only event may help bring more women to the game who otherwise might be intimidated to play. If for some strange reason poker tournaments were made up of 90% women and only 10% or less men, then there probably would be men-only events.

 
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BigStackBri
over 4 years ago

I agree with The Fly...If this event promotes more women to play they is good for all poker players....If its that big of deal just start a Mens only event the same day they start a womens only event...

 
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ckennedy9200
over 4 years ago

When I first started reading this I thought it was men who dressed as women and entered. Lo and behold, this are men who entered a ladies event as if there is nothing wrong with this?! I hope Card Player prints their name and photos to OUT these clowns. There are 40+ other events... be a man you sissy.

p.s. - @dragon - the reason for a women's only event is to get more women interested in poker. Is it so bad for women to have 1 event just for them?

David Sesso - remember that name and ridicule his sorry a$$ every time you play with him.

 
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indiana1982
over 4 years ago

Well if the WSOP can have an all Womens event then why can't they have one for the Men. I personally feel that the idea of excluding anyone from an event is wrong. All poker tourneys should be open, its what makes poker great. Anyone with the buy in can have a chance to win. So with that why does the WSOP still have senior and womens events? If everyone has the same chance at an open poker event this must mean one thing ... The WSOP feels seniors and women are not as good as men at poker. Otherwise they wouldn't have these events, or be mad if men enter the womens event. So what you should conclude is by having the womens and seniors event the WSOP clearly feels ok with age and sex discrimination. And for the response of women feel intimidated by playing in open events that must mean you feel that your not as good. If you want to play in a weaker field play at your local casino. This is the World Series of Poker, this is the Major league of poker, if you wanna play t-ball the peewee diamond is down the street.

 
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ckennedy9200
over 4 years ago

indy, that line of thinking may make you feel better about signing up for a ladies event, BUT again... there are 40 some other open events. One event for ladies (or seniors) is fine. The only people being discriminated against are men. And 99.9999% of them are ok with it, thus the low number of LOSERS signing up for a ladies event. I understnad what you're saying, in general. But there's no defense of these donks who sign up for a ladies event thinking it's an easy tourney.

 
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NYY2009Champs
over 4 years ago

Its actually really simple to solve. Have a 1k NLHE MEN ONLY tournament starting the same day at the same time. That way no men could legally enter the womens tournament, and vica verca.

 
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indiana1982
over 4 years ago

yes, there are 50+ other events but no mens only event, remember that!

 
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ckennedy9200
over 4 years ago

indy, another thing to remember... men aren't underrepresented in poker.

 
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indiana1982
over 4 years ago

It doesn't matter if men are not under represented in poker. The simple fact is women can enter more events than men, of the 57 events a 20 something man can only enter 55(if he is a casino employee) a 20 something woman can enter 56 events. A senior man can enter 56 events and a senior woman can enter them all. Not that anyone could or should play in every event possible. but the simple fact is there is no advantage to poker for being a man or a woman. any one with the money can play the events, there is no need to close off events. and if you are going to there needs to be a fair representation

 
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MNNU83
over 4 years ago

Get rid of these sort of events. It only furthers the perception that women (or seniors or whatever) are somehow a different division of poker player. There are not the same physical requirements that necessitate the same separation as contact sports so why insult the women by insinuating that they need to have the playing field leveled?

 
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BigJoeJones
over 4 years ago

Women don't need to be compensated for their lack of representation. This is similar to how the American sports media bashes Americans for not being more involved as a spectating audience in the World Cup. Americans as a whole would rather watch the NBA finals or baseball than soccer. There should be no apology, it's who we are! Just as Americans prefer as a whole sports other than soccer, women prefer to do other things with their time than poker. If women want more representation in high level events, I suggest they start showing up to them. Stop giving them token bracelets and make them earn them like everyone else does. Pick your poison: 2500 person events or play vs hundreds of pros in the mixed game events. Or you could get one because it makes you feel pretty and because it's not fair that all the boys have one and you don't.

 
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wisak7
over 4 years ago

I sincerely hope that if the WSOP tries to suspend any of the guys that play in this event that the guys will sue them for discrimination. Indy's comments are spot on. How come I have a feeling that if they had a mens only event and not a ladies event Kathy Liebert wouldn't just let it go. Stop excluding anyone from any tournament. Better yet, don't have any special events. Just play poker. I get a kick out of it when they describe Jennifer Tilly as a bracelet winner. She deserves a big fat asterisk next to her name because it came in the womens only event.

 
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jermfrog81
over 4 years ago

So they cant legally prevent them from playing in this event...but they have the right to refuse service to anyone at any time at any point that they deem, as operators of the event.

Does that make any sense at all?

 
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grog911
over 4 years ago

Maybe Hellmuth could host a Idiots from NORTHERN Europe Bracelet Event? How awsome would that be? He gets to watch all the tables and go around with a microphone and talk smack as they bust.

 
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bmpek
over 4 years ago

here is the solution. the men wanting entry must bake a batch of raisan filled cookies to qualify for entry. can not bake can not play

 
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lcsfolkner
over 4 years ago

They shouldn't be punished since it isn't illegal for them to buy into. and it is BS that the WSOP has a ladies only event anyways. they want equality then why help women win bracelets let them win one like anyone else has to.

 
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mauriceburks
over 4 years ago

I agreee with some of you guys , that if you are going to have discriminatory events have them on the same day, and if you dont meet the caracteristics that the event calls for ex... ladies, seniors, gay, afro american, anglo saxon, short ,tall fat, skinny smart, dumb, fast slow,,etc.... maby next year the WSOP will have some kind of implimentation to cater too every one acceptance. I'm sure the WSOP will do the right thing. And speaking on refusing the players from playing in future events, remember there 's always many other events going on ( WPT TOUR and many others that is gaining teritory) the WSOP need to be very wise about the descisons that will be made.

 
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seamarfan269
over 4 years ago

“We can’t prevent anyone from entering a ladies tournament. If they’re scumbags, they’re scumbags,” said Palansky. REALLY, this is HARRAH's Communication's Director. WOW!!! "just sayin".

p.s. LOL to BMPEK's raisin cookie idea!!

 
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foxpaus
over 4 years ago

Of course there needs to be a women's only event. It's a great idea to get women involved in the game. Maybe it shouldn't be an official, WSOP Bracelet event though...?

Maybe a men's only event is a good idea, if it means we don't have to listen to people whinge and carry on, and so the WSOP gives the appearance of equality.

Seriously though, if there was a "mens only" event, how many people would enter it? It'd be the most embarrassing bracelet to win. Apart from a man winning the ladies event.

 
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paulclay2
over 4 years ago

sorry richenough. u r way off.

 
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xpiredd
over 4 years ago

In my opinion (a lady's opinion)

there was actually a guy at my table today at the ladies event which i didnt mind or even taken a second look at him..he was just another player to fill up the table... yes i do see the whole controversy of this whole argument about if guys should be playing it even its frown upon..yada..

i think the whole reason for "ladies event" is for most average-joes ( in this case.. average-amandas") to enjoy a poker event without feeling so intimidated by most guys/grinders/*ssholes.. i do understand if you cant "hang" then dont play..but WSOP wanna make wsop enjoyable for everyone.. n thats why they came up with ladies event...i think :D

i personally prefer in playing regular tournaments (no age/sex restrictions) " still preferably with more guys"... the ladies event is almost a joke (no offense to the ladies) i wanna pull my hair out every time i play this event.. but then again.. how can i resist not playing in such an "ideal" field..if you know what i mean..

so over all..if you guys wanna join the party again next yr.. come on it.. makes the field less stressful for me :D

i actually asked the cage if i can sign up for the senior event..obv i got turned down..

 
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xpiredd
over 4 years ago

NYY2009Champs (kudo on the suggestion) :

im gonna be the other female "douchebag" signing up for the men event

 
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permanentilt
over 4 years ago

The Ladies' event has been around since 1977, it is kind of a tradition, why stop now? It was started for the wives of the players to have something to do while the men were playing in other tournaments, why would that be any different now?

So men have 1 less tournament they can enter, so what? I'll give 10-1 that the people claiming "Women can win more bracelets!!" will never even win 1 bracelet!

Keep the Seniors' and the Womens' but obviously don't add any more of these types.

 
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Prieure
over 4 years ago

Ultimately in 2010 the only way that sexism is tolerated is when it's towards men. Just look at TV adverts, here in the UK there are plenty of ads that could be seen as sexist towards men, and yet when M & S had a women in her underwear advertising their underwear it was banned due to complaint. The only reason it's allowed to go on is because men don't tend to complain about sexism. My understanding of equality is that everyone is equal and preventing someone from entering anything based on their sex is not permitted. Ditto age discrimination, when it's against seniors it's not allowed but when younger people are discriminated against it is somehow permitted.
I think the whole idea of a women's tournament is sexist to both men and women, it basically says that women need to be protected by having their own tournament, that's sexist to women surely?
The women's tournament has been around since the 70s, but it shouldn't be forgotten that it was held the day before the main event because not many women (if any) would be playing it and all the men could rest before playing the main event. So it had a sexist beginning, add that to the fact that it is now 2010 and sexism is frowned upon and this tournament should die a death now and take the seniors event with it. Classy stuff from the Harrah's spokesman the men that entered this contest generate plenty of money for them and they shouldn't just be insulted in this way just for entering a tournament that should never award a bracelet anyway.

 
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cchappa
over 4 years ago

Shame on EVERYONE for overlooking the most discriminated poker-playing segment of our society: the underaged! We all know they thrive on online poker sites, so why not at the WSOP? After all, isn't the purpose of such an event to cater to those who normally wouldn't play poker at the WSOP?

I can see it now: online sites hosts freeroll tournaments for player points to win seats to the event, so that no money had to be put up to enter. Prizes include video games and iPhones and tickets to Justin Bieber (to get the girls interested, and to some extent, some guys...). Winner gets to go to homecoming with the winner of the ladies' event.

Seriously, legal discrimination of any form should be discouraged. If you wanna express your opinion on a guy entering a ladies event, that's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. To ban them because they have testicles is another. The RuPaul example be describes it: if I can make you THINK I'm a woman, can I enter without fear of repercussions?

 
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cchappa
over 4 years ago

And Palansky needs to be fired for making such a statement publicly.

 
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The_Iceman
over 4 years ago

I'll tell you what that parasite palansky calling any player a SCUMBAG for any reason pisses me off royally. Who the heck does he think he is?

Big deal if a guy wants to play? WTF cares

 
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Wolfed
over 4 years ago

"The Ladies' event has been around since 1977, it is kind of a tradition, why stop now?"
Permanentilt....so was paying women 1/2 of what men made for a few hundred years....

When the Tiltboys (I think it was them?) first started dressing as women and playing in the events, it was kinda funny. From what I remember, most of the women thought it was funny...a few took offense...

Last night every time a man busted during the tourney, it was announced, and a large percentage of the women clapped and cheered.....felt a bit weird watching that happen....

The real issue is the law. We put into place something so there couldn't be gender discrimination either way. What Palansky has said he will do is illegal, and if they do do that and someone decides to sue, it's an easily winnable case. cchappa is right: Palansky should know better then to say something that stupid publicly. Because he doesn't, they should fire him with "just cause" before any legal issues come into play. To get around this, and still have a women's only event, they'll need to have an "equal" event the is "men's only". Just do that, and we are done with it.....

 
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NoFear
over 4 years ago

Wow! A $1,000 buy in event is generating more comments and publicity than almost any other event. As they say "any publicity is good for business". So the Ladies Event has got to be good for poker. But I have a simple solution: change the event to a dress code event. Anyone wearing a bra, panties and a dress or skirt can play - no problem. lol

P.S. And instead of a bracelet award a necklace - that will shut up the bracelet counters.

P.S.S. It is a good event to learn from; watch how certain women players act differently with all women vs. predominately all men and you can see how they try (mostly successful) to exploit men's weaknesses whereas they don't try that same line with other women.

 
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TXMaxx
over 4 years ago

What do the girls fear, mens competition? This is all going too far, next the dwarfs will get their own tourney, then you have the Jims, Bills, Joes, flat footed people, just BS...if you pay the entry you get in, period.

 
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paulclay2
over 4 years ago

@ richenough - your point seems to be that you have a problem with there being a ladies event. do you honestly feel That left out? let them have their event. if it were open to men, we'd all be there and it would just be another wsop event. if you Do feel left out, maybe you should support the addition of an all male event.

 
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TheFly
over 4 years ago

I can hardly believe all the fuss over having a Ladies event. For those that say there should be men only events, have you ever played in a major tournament? They pretty much ARE men only events. I've played 6 10K events now, 2 cashes, and I'm seriously scratching my head to count the number of women that were ever at a table of mine. Maybe 1 or 2 tops.

Ladies events are good for the poker, some women may start there before feeling comfortable in "mixed" events. Ladies events bring more women into the game, and is that really such a bad thing? Poker is such a sausage-fest as it is, we should be welcoming Ladies events with open arms! Jeez!

 
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pl2000
over 4 years ago

I hate to say this, but the reality is men are better poker players than woman players. So they need this type of tournament to get a woman to win. They should ban this, it is sexism. But the reality is they won't ban it. There needs to be more woman in poker. Nice to look at a person you'd want to sleep with at the poker table.

 
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paulclay2
over 4 years ago

@richenough - maybe he should have reserved the word "scumbag" for You instead. you Did use the words "Taco" and "Dim Sum" to refer to Hispanics and Asians. it doesn't help your anti-discrimination stance at all. i guess we really shouldn't even be taking you seriously. so let em play their event, scumbag.

 
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rickyfitts
over 4 years ago

Plain and simple, Harrah's cannot do anything, or they will be sued and they know it. Any act to do anything with these guys, will be looked at as retaliation and make their lawsuit even more winnable. I really don't care either way if the WSOP offers Ladies Only or Senior tournaments.

 
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ace metal
over 4 years ago

ok here is what they need to do to end this once and for all...

have a ladies only tournament like they do right now AND have a men's only tournament as well...THEN the winner of both tournaments play heads up for each others winnings and who ever wins not only takes home a good chunk of money but whoever wins will prove who plays better poker.....men vs women....who is better at poker? :P

 
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