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Jeff Shulman Explains Controversial WSOP Comments

Talks About His Plans for the World Series of Poker Bracelet

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Jeff Shulman clarifies his statement about trashing the WSOP braceletOn July 15, as the remaining 27 players in the World Series of Poker main event worked their way down to the final nine, reports emerged that Card Player magazine President and COO Jeff Shulman would throw the main-event bracelet in the trash if he won the event.

Now, as he’s a member of 2009’s elite “November Nine” field (Shulman heads to the event’s recess in fourth chip position), a buzz has swirled as to the reasons behind his remark.

“Some people are reporting that I’m upset because the World Series canceled a media deal with Card Player,” he said.

“My comments have nothing to do with that, and everything to do with my disappointment in how the World Series is run. It used to be run by people who loved and really cared about poker, and had the players in mind, first and foremost. That mission’s been derailed by a few executives who now head the Series.”

Shulman, who has racked up $1.3 million in lifetime tournament winnings, has played in a number of World Series events in the past decade.

“This year, the WSOP locked out players who flew in from around the world to play in the main event, charged nearly $3 million in entry fees for the main event alone, continued to create an uneven playing field by giving special treatment to some, and, in general, display bad attitudes and make inaccurate decisions.”

Shulman dismisses the assumption that his disdain stems from a lack of media access for Card Player magazine and CardPlayer.com at the Series.

“Card Player and the World Series had a media deal in 2005 and 2006. Our opinion was that the event should be open to all media, but the World Series made a decision that only one media company would get access, and that company would have to pay for it.

Card Player and the World Series had disagreements on the media coverage from day one, and we chose not to even bid on the deal in 2007. It wasn’t worth it, and they sold it to someone else. We were glad to get rid of it.”

The 2009 World Series of Poker November NineShulman is surprised that some in the poker community are so quick to blame Card Player for the trend of establishing media exclusivity in the poker business.

“Harrah’s made the decision to auction off the media rights to cover the World Series to the highest bidder, not us. Do we like it? Absolutely not.”

As for renouncing the bracelet, Shulman says that he stands by this decision, if he is privileged enough to win.

“Look, I love poker and entered with the hopes of winning,” Shulman stated. “But, more importantly, I support making the industry stronger and better for the players, and to do this, there needs to be some major changes to the way the World Series is run at the highest level.

“Hopefully, by doing something like this, people will start talking about those changes.

“I am going to stand by my commitment, but instead of pointlessly throwing it in the trash, I have come up with a few ideas. Feel free to shoot me any other ideas. I’ve got a few months to decide.”

Jeff Shulman’s alternative bracelet ideas:

1. Auction off the bracelet and give the money to charity
2. Hold a tournament for all players shut out of the main event and award the winner the bracelet
3. Give the bracelet away in a SpadeClub.com tournament
4. Give the bracelet to Stephen Colbert

 
 
 
 

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seamarfan269
almost 5 years ago

Happy, i would have to vote for none of the above. If you are blessed enough to overcome Moon's massive chip lead and actually win this thing...i think you should wear your bracelet with honor and rise above all the petty crap that is bothering you regarding the WSOP. Poker players must learn to adapt and overcome. So far you've done that in 2009. Don't tarnish all your hard work with one revenge filled act. Nuff Said. ps. GL in November Happy!!

 
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ferrisbuellr
almost 5 years ago

gl Jeff!!!

 
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alon.albert
almost 5 years ago

+1 on seamarfan269 comment

 
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bmpek
almost 5 years ago

how about a comment on your major advertisers who have crooked sites cheating players and non random dealers

 
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thebrock
almost 5 years ago

I have a idea!

I hope if you win, Harrahs does not give you the bracelet!!

You are one of the reasons poker gets a bad rap from the mainstream. Dont get me wrong, I hate Harrahs more than anyone. But you have to give credit where credit is due. Over the last few years they have made major improvements to the WSOP. Of course, there are plenty more. They are dealing with poker players. Good lucking making a decision dealing with poker players. In general poker players are cry babies who are never happy. Good Luck trying to please 10,000 poker players.

I'm sick of hearing that Harrahs 'shut out' players. Hello, They had 6 weeks to register and 4 day ones to play. Dont blame Harrahs that lazy poker players waited until the last second to register. There were plenty of open seats on day 1A, 1B, and 1C. or if you had to play on 1D you could of registered prior to 10 mins before cards are in the air! These dates did not change, they were posted for weeks and players had weeks to register. I'm glad people who are lazy are always late go shut out. Maybe they will plan in advance one time.

If you hate Harrahs so bad, why did you play??? You complain about the 3 million in entry fees. Well you paid them, so shut your hole!

As much as I dont want Jeff to win, I hope he does and Harrahs refuses to give him the bracelet!!

 
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VeniVdVici
almost 5 years ago

Happy, You've already had one of these ripped away from you, so clearly you understand the magnitude of what you are doing and should be applauded for adhering to your principles and standing up against corporate myopathy and greed and on behalf of the players, especially those Harrah's shut out due to poor planning and worse crisis management.

The key now is to ensure that your follow through does not distract from your point. #3 (while a dream come true for many SCers) and #4 (while funny) therefore should be ruled out.

Perhaps you could combine #1 and #2. Hold a $5K tourney (rather than $10K so that the long distance travellers can afford the 2nd flight to the US) for those who were shut out. Award 1/2 the money and the bracelet in a standard tourney prize structure and donate the other half of the money to the charity of your choice.

 
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Wolfed
almost 5 years ago

It's going to take a gesture like the one Jeff has suggested to make Harrah's wake the fuck up and recognize that without players...there is no WSOP gold mine for them. I think that if Jeff refused it over principle, and made a statement to that effect, then perhapps some affect might happend.

Harrah's is making an obscene amount of money from the WSOP and the players. And exactly what do the players get? The opportunity to play in the biggest tourney in the world ran poorly So what?

Harrah's has done everything possible to sqeeze every last dollar out of the WSOP players, and ignorant commenters such as 'thebrock' are absolutely clueless as to their greed and it's effect. The WSOP has been turned into a corporate cesspool, with accountants driving every possibly revenue stream to drain every last dollar out of it. Selling media access, allowing only "approved" sponsors logos, etc, etc.....may they rot in hell with Maddof...

'thebrock' sounds exactly like the "cry baby(ies)" poker player he beseaches. I wish him "good lucking" getting over that.

 
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pikachucards
almost 5 years ago

+1 to bmpek.

You and your magazine already have a reputation of caring more about business than the game by continuing to keep running AP and UB ads after the scandals broke, while offering little to no coverage of the scandals. Why should we believe you now?

If you did choose an "alternate option", #1 would be a good one. #4 would be funny. And please, PLEASE stop whining about people not getting into the tournament. They had months to register and if they didn't make it in time IT IS THEIR FAULT, not Harrah's. It's called personal responsibility.

I help run a tradeshow for medical companies, if a company doesn't sign up before the event is relatively filled and after the deadline - they don't get in. And they have no legal recourse, no matter how much they whine. It's their fault, even if it is the most important business exposure they have each year.

 
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pikachucards
almost 5 years ago

btw wolfed, I'm pretty sure the WSOP doesn't have to worry about not getting players. Awful economy and they had 6,500 sign up, and hundreds more trying to sign up. Don't be stupid.

 
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danapointkid
almost 5 years ago

Jeff:
I think you idea of auctioning the bracelet off for charity is a good idea. If not that, go to your local VA hospital, hold a drawing from all of the wounded servicemen there, and award it to one of them. They are the true champions.

I agree with some of your comments, especailly the service charge. Not mentioned is all the money that harrahs makes for all that table advertising. Why isnt any of that money shared with the players? How about giving SAG cards to the players that are fortunate enough to get on TV. And residuals for all the times that these shows are shown on ESPN, over and over and over again.

 
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MNNU83
almost 5 years ago

Have the bracelet professionally broken down and the parts made into "Happy" poker accessories and then auction these off for charity. I would love to see someone sitting at a final table next year in a pair of "Happy" shades with diamonds down the sides and one of the words from the bracelet between the lenses. You could probably get 4 or 5 items out of the ridiculous amount of bling in that thing and would be able to raise more money for charity.

In response to anyone who wants players to shut up and play...these tournaments are a very expensive service offered by Harrahs and the customers have every right to demand better service for their money. Nobody does less for more money than people who put on high stakes poker tournaments and they should be bending over backwards to make sure their clients are as satisfied as possible...just like in any other industry.

 
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Briana
almost 5 years ago

I understand Jeff's comments. Anytime something goes corporate, it's not as special, simply because corporations don't care about the people involved. In this case it's poker. it's similar to what has happened in the music industry. The CEO's simply could care less about the musicians, or in this case poker players. Corporations are nothing more than over-paid bean counters. The WSOP was formed by gamblers for gamblers and now their opinions mean little. In the end, no matter what, corporations will do what is best for them PERIOD! It's very sad where the WSOP has come and where it might go.

 
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adbuster2375
almost 5 years ago

I've paid more than my fair share of vig at the WSOP for the past five years. Had no clue that Harrahs also auctioned off the media access also. Pisses me off as a player that is paying up to 10% juice for each tournament and trying to break though and make a name for myself so I can make money with sponsorship. Now, if what Jeff says is true, only one media is allowed to report officialy. What a joke. Guess that is why we only get limited reports here on Card Player. Would the NFL or MLB ever do this. Hell no. This Pollack guy walks around calling himself a commissioner. Hey pal, your a joke if you let this happen. Shouldnt it be about growing the game as much as possible which is what the media can do so players can have more opportunities. All you've given me is a $10 meal coupon and you make special rules for Phil Ivey and Phil Hellmuth. Thanks for nothing.

 
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halfbreed23
almost 5 years ago

"“This year, the WSOP locked out players who flew in from around the world to play in the main event, charged nearly $3 million in entry fees for the main event alone, continued to create an uneven playing field by giving special treatment to some, and, in general, display bad attitudes and make inaccurate decisions.”"

Has there been any reporting on CP.com on these issues? I'd like to know more about them before automatically jumping on Shulman's bandwagon, especially the "special treatment to some" and some of the "inaccurate decisionS"

I think #2 is the absolute best choice.Plus you could link it to charity

 
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halfbreed23
almost 5 years ago

There may be only 1 official report but I've been following the action at multiple sites who are doing a great job.

 
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white_rogue
almost 5 years ago

Honestly i don't think there is anyone who actually thinks that Harrahs is doing a great job of running the wsop. Yes they take too much money from the players, provide horrible service, and although they say they are fan friendly if you have ever been in the amazon room you know that railing your friends is next to impossible, and forget about getting a drink. About the only great thing they have done with it is create the circuit events (which no other single casino brand could have done as successfully) and wsop europe. They tried to make things better with the players council but obviously the players they included on it had their own agenda or didn't have enough pull to really make a difference.

Jeff go win the bracelet and keep it. Put it on display in the card player offices for all to see and wear it every year that you return to the WSOP. Earning that braclet not only proves that you are a great poker player but will help legitimize your views on the ways to improve the greatest poker tournament in the world.

 
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3l33
almost 5 years ago

GL Jeff. I'm the one that doubled your stack on day 2 to put you in good position for the remaining days. Amazing..you did a great job. Your trip 5's beat my K's. I still think about it..I should have folded. Good Luck.

 
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ken.perez.8541
almost 5 years ago

Go back to the original idea, throw the bracelet in the trash....right next to all the copies of your magazine. Your an idiot.....defame the most heralded prize in poker...for what. Does anybody think that will really change anything??? Harrah's does not give a crap about what Jeff Schulman does with the bracelet IF he wins. You want to protest the WSOP...don't play in it. Get others not to play in, do not disrespect the traditions set forth by so many luminaries of the game! My opinion...Jeff Schulman you’re a dirt bag...and you can say goodbye to my subscription to CardPlayer...there that is my protest to Schulman being an idiot.

Also, give up with the Harrah's not letting people play. As many people have said before they had forever to register...if they failed to do so and did not get to play it is their own fault...if they flew from far away they should have made better decisions to make sure they got to play....No sympathy!!!!

adbuster2375 stay away from the WSOP if you are so worried about the “Phils” getting preferential treatment. BTW...please explain what preferential treatment they received.

 
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glennevert
almost 5 years ago

The worst thing you can feel about anyone or anything is NOTHING. If you want to get your message across, Accept it if you win. Never put it on, never hold it up, and never comment about it. If you were to politely put it in your pocket as soon as you touch it and put it somewhere no body would ever know about, that would be the most negative thing you could do... Don't go around speaking of where or what your doing with it. Simply, ignore it...

 
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ShOrTyD25
almost 5 years ago

You work for a company that feeds off getting sponsors on your magazine and youre getting upset about the wsop getting sponsors lol. Every single sporting event has sponsors and the one that pays the most gets that sponsor. Even with media access, I cant walk up to the court and tell the Chicago Bulls that I can be here because im gonna write an article on them on my facebook page. You have to pay to get the rights to do that, or work for a company that has the rights to do so. And also the ''shutting'' the players out comment is extremely stupid. They had 6 weeks to register themselves. If they didnt do it then tough. You cant put in a football bet in the middle of the first quarter because you showed up late. You are at the final table of the greatest tournament in the world. Stop acting like a baby and accept the bracelet and move on.

 
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Permatilt
almost 5 years ago

Players had plenty of time to register. If they played satellites until the last minute only to get 'shut out' that is their problem.

Without the ESPN coverage of the WSOP (along with Chris Moneymaker, who you all should blow) then your magazine would be what it was prior... A decent but small publication covering a bunch of degenerates.

Get over yourself...

 
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dolphins
almost 5 years ago

You guys who say it players fault for not getting in are wrong about blame players for not registering before event.

No chance to register 10 minute before last day. I know because I there trying.

I fly from Miami to play in Main Event. When I get there before event even start (two hour) told no chance.

World Series said many time that 3000 players can play each day. They only take 2800 last day.

Fair? False advertising!!

Then we go in room, the suits tell us to buzz off and walk out side door.

Customer service so bad I never try again.

Would be nice to get there earlier day for play. But I have a two job, two kids. If that make me a lazy poker player ha ha.

Thanks WSOP.

 
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pokerdiane
almost 5 years ago

I think you are a hypocrite. Your magazine doesn't report truth but is a bunch of crap that you cater to your adverisers. I hope you go out first. You don't deserve a bracelet. You should be ashamed of yourself, the way you act and the way you report and the way you try to control the media.

 
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Dave112
almost 5 years ago

Idea suggestion,

Donote the bracelet metal to a tournament brand that you believe treats it's customers correctly (maybe WPT or other); so that the brand can melt the metal into a bracelet or bracelets for their season bracelets.

 
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calbiotech
almost 5 years ago

If you win, then I hope whatever you choose to do will be in the best interest for poker and poker players. My vote would be for you to simply accept the bracelet gracefully and be a great ambassador for the world of poker and explain your issues with the WSOP to the world through interviews and using the spotlight to influence positive change.

 
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pikachucards
almost 5 years ago

Dolphins - you and everyone else could register ahead of time, you didn't have to register in person. Stop bitching for your own procrastination.

And as far as the guys bitching about the vig? Seriously? Every tournament has a vig, why should this be any different? 10% is standard, too. Seriously, no one is entitled to anything, simply because they have $10K or because they are a poker player. Take responsibility and follow the rules.

And quit whining about corporations, stupid hippies.

 
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halfbreed23
almost 5 years ago

I think it is incredibly reckless to say that the WSOP is giving preferential treatment. It is even more reckless to be a poker "journalist", say they are giving preferential treatment but provide no details or print a report on the issue.

Now you have people in the comments calling out names for the preferential treatment like "Phil". It is not acceptable to start a rumor with no detail and allow your readers to begin to start the theory that Phil Ivey is undeserving of the FT because "they read it on Cardplayer.com".

 
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sunnyboy8644
almost 5 years ago

i think the Harrahs should provide better services for the players.
for example,add one more month for the registration.
and not puting any tournaments in july 4th !

 
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sunnyboy8644
almost 5 years ago

i think the Harrahs should provide better services for the players.
for example,add one more month for the registration.
and not puting any tournaments in july 4th !

 
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kutkorners
almost 5 years ago

I wanna know how they figured out the final table payoffs. From 9th to 8th is less of a money increase than from 46th to 45th, am i missing sometin here?

 
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kutkorners
almost 5 years ago

Besides the h in somethin lol

 
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Anonymous0428
almost 5 years ago

I think you should give the bracelet to your brother!

 
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Wolfed
almost 5 years ago

pikachump....typical donk rightwingnut....

 
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Prieure
almost 5 years ago

Poker is a game played in a casino. Casino's have always given preferential to high rollers, after all they provide the casino with more income. Even Binion's in the 'good old' days were legendary for their comps etc. On the other hand, why would Harrah's lock people out if they were just interested in money, that doesn't make any sense. All players had ample chance to enter, it could even be done online, and the day before Day 1D there was a warning that it was expected to be full. Many of the players must have heard this, and just decided that if they turned up the Rio would have to let them in. What Harrahs have done is tried to provide a level playing field for everyone who enters, the WSOP is so big now that it is impossible to run properly unless a corporation does it, that's why Binions had to sell the rights, they couldn't run it. There is so much vig because this is the biggest tournament on earth, there has always been vig you know when you pay 10K that a certain amount will go to the casino. It's been said before don't play a 10K if it's not an amount of money you can afford to lose, and if you can afford to lose 10K then the vig is a tiny part of that.
Keep the bracelet or refuse it, any other option is pretty disgraceful.

 
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quest
almost 5 years ago

Offer the bracelet to Colbert and he might do a segment on his show. Think of the promotion the poker would recieve!

 
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Briana
almost 5 years ago

Hey Prieure, The reason Binion's sold the rights to the WSOP is because after Benny died, there was a family feud over the business between his sons and his daughter. After many years of battling, his daughter gained control of Binions. She had no clue what she was doing and ran it into the ground. Eventually the WSOP and Binions had to be sold to pay debts. If Benny was still alive this would have never happened.

 
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kurtwpg
almost 5 years ago

Give the bracelet to Colbert. That will spread your message the widest.

 
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survivor
almost 5 years ago

As a member of the poker media, and I have worked the WSOP, I have to agree with Jeff on his comments of the WSOP's means of making money on auctioning of the reporting rights. The sponsors pay a very hefty fee as well to be put up on banners, tables, chairs etc...but to compare this to a magazines ads to the same sponsors is NOT comparing apples to apples. Sponsor ads are an intregal part of a magazine's existance, as part of the WSOP? sponsors reach their target audience, but also put millions into the pockets of Harrahs that NEVER trickle down to the player. Score one for Jeff. As for preferential treatment for big names, score another one for Jeff. I've seen WSOP officials bring out a single tv screen for both Ivey and Hellmuth to watch basketball, I've seen chef's in various restraunts in the Rio be dispatched to prepare and deliver 3 course meals, I've seen pro's refuse requests of staff and balk at rules of the WSOP only to get their way when Joe Blow of the general playing field is REQUIRED to follow all WSOP rules and regulations. Example-Scotty/2008 Final table. I'm not sure what the solution would be to reach the top officials of the WSOP to make changes in favor of the players since they inturn have to answer to stockholders. But one thing is for sure, there will never be a boycott of the WSOP that would be of any signifigance, and as long as Harrahs owns the brand, they will continue to do what ever they want when it comes to milking the dollars from the cash cow called the WSOP. Play your best game Jeff, win the bracelet, and use your best talent and tools available to you, CardPlayer Magazine to make a difference! Good Luck!

 
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iamlanky
almost 5 years ago

I think that all these excuses about it being too big for anybody but a corporation to run are simply dumb, a corporation isn't some sort of mythical magical being, it is made of people, and somewhere on the ladder there is a person making decisions for how things are run. A tournament director has the job of making things fair and fair is not letting a celebrity like Brad Garrett say f**k all he wants while a "nobody" would be penalized. I can understand that celebrities are good for the game because they bring in other players as well, but once the tournament starts everybody should be on a level playing field.

Other preferential treatment is when Phil Ivey says he doesn't want to be on the featured table because he likes to keep his play more private but when Jeff Shulman says he doesn't want the featured table he's told that's just too bad.

I understand that it is a private business but like MNNU83 said, it is a service. It would not exist without the players and so they should be treated well. Instead they're treated like cattle. Harrah's treats the WSOP like a burden that it has on it's shoulders, with all the money that must be brought in by jack link, and Milwaukee's best and espn the players should get more than a $10 food voucher, they're all basically spokesman for the WSOP. I"m not saying prize pools should be messed with, 10% is standard for a tournament it should be fairly treated like any other tournament, But with all the extra money coming in, they could set aside some time for the 10 months a year its not going on and train the floor people to be evenly handed.

And as for the media exclusivity, an argument can be made that MLB and NFL are only broadcast on one channel, a network comes in and buys the rights to a team or to a game, but that's not a fair example, because in MLB and NFL everyone involved is an employee of the entity. Poker doesn't have a governing body, the players are not on salary. Everybody is a free agent and so when the media buys rights to the event, the players aren't seeing anything from it. I understand that you can't go crazy and start letting all kinds of camera crews in and have it completely open, that would get congested and in the way. But coverage could come from multiple credentialed sources. Allowing a only a single magazine the rights to chip counts seems to be a bad monetary decision, sure they pay the rights up front and Harrah's makes money and the magazine gets to make money off of saying their exclusive, but why should the WSOP limit its ability to be freely advertised, the more sources it lets report, the more it gets out there. It seems to me that if you let everyone do chip counts then the WSOP can get wider coverage and become even larger.

I think the way to go with the four choices is that you somehow get Steven Colbert to assist in promoting a charity poker tournament that will benefit whatever charity he chooses(that will make it more likely he'll agree) winner of the tournament gets the bracelet. Just make sure it runs perfectly, smoothly, treats everyone fairly, and is covered by everyone(not just CP) and maybe word can spread about how great it was. the WSOP 10 years ago was not that big. Venetian Deep Stack is growing, maybe CP can go into business with them to make a better tourney that will take over. Poker players may like the name recognition and to be able to say they have a WSOP bracelet, but they like money and fair treatment more, run it well and they will come.

 
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wvuneer03
almost 5 years ago

I think a good idea would be to present President Obama with the bracelet in a ceremony similar to professional sports teams giving the President their jersey at the White House. I think this act of solidarity from the poker community could help shed light on a very important topic and lead to rectifying the current legal landscape of online poker.

 
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mcthrila
almost 5 years ago

To all the players that got shut out of the main event -- most of us dream about the day we might get to play in it one time, so we have no sympathy for your lazy asses rolling into the circus that is the Rio in July as registration closes on the last, busiest day of the tournament. You don't deserve to have a shot.

 
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Scootsy
almost 5 years ago

Jeff: Don't disgrace yourself by disrespecting the bracelet and what it represents. The game is bigger than you or Card Player. You would only hurt the game and everyone who loves and plays it.

One other thought: Harrah's should open media access to all legitimate outlets, print and online. That's the only fair thing to do. Do you think they auction off seats to the press box at the World Series and Super Bowl? Uh, no.

 
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igetitb4u
almost 5 years ago

I totally disagree with your decision! I hope that you do not win! We need a serious poker champion to win the bracelet, We have seen people like Eastgate & Yang win the ME and they have done nothing to promote the game and bring new players to it.

How would doing this bring new players to the game?

How would your company look by doing this?

What would the previous champions think about your actions?

Are you not interested in promoting the game as a champion of the WSOP?

Would TV poker shows ever invite you to play? how much sponsorship money would you loose?

If you don't care about poker and your company then I say go for it! If you care about Poker then you are making a HUGE MISTAKE. You can use your main event championship to promote poker and make the changes that need to be made without making a fool of yourself.

PS I was a spade club member and a cardplayer magazine subscriber until yesterday when I canceled because of this... I will never do business with a company that will show this much disrespect to the game I love!

Good luck with your decision and I hope get 9th!

 
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tilttilation
almost 5 years ago

Look, for what it's worth, both sides have valid points. Harrahs should not limit the amount of media coverage at the WSOP. The Media is what makes your sport/game big. Ask the NBA,NFL,NHL,MLB how much media they limit, and it ain't going to be much. However, in Harrahs defense, everyone had plenty of time to play in the other 3 day 1's, between that and the early registration, no one has any excuse for not having played in this years tourney. Good luck Nov. 9!!!

 
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igetitb4u
almost 5 years ago

If you felt this way about the WSOP and Harrahs, why didn't you write about your intentions before you made the final table?

Why would you allow your magazine to promote a tournament series that is so flawed and does not treat its players well?

Its because you are a hypocrite and a liar! You don't have any problem with the advertisers on cardplayer writing you checks to promote the WSOP in your magazine. do you?

Why would you renounce the WSOP ME bracelet when the company that you own made $$$ from advertising and promoting the WSOP in there own magazine? This does not sound hypocritical?

I must be lost..... Or jeff smokes to much 420 and it messed up the side of his brain that helps make logical business decisions.

 
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mjfitch
almost 5 years ago

Give it to your father as a belated father's day gift, that's if you can win it!!

 
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krbski6
almost 5 years ago

All you guys are doing is fueling Jeff's fire. All he is doing is trying to steal the spotlight between now and the November 9. Who really gives a crap what he thinks of how it is run. He is just butthurt because its not his company doing the coverage. Guaranteed if cardplayer was covering, then Jeff would have his mouth shut.

If you are dumb enough to give that bracelet up Jeff, then be a real man and don't accept the endorsements and everything else that comes along with making the November 9. You don't deserve this spotlight. Just another dumb hypocritical business man. I hope they rig the deck so you bust out first.

 
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pikachucards
almost 5 years ago

lol, I just got called a right-winger! funny :)

most Democrats aren't corporation-hating hippies, ftr.

 
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JaySin420
almost 5 years ago

I vote Colbert but I don't understand the whole giving it away thing (in tourney or whatever) after the fact, isn't this about making a point? You gotta do something right there on tv if you win, that's the money shot.

How sick would it be if Ivey did something like this, now that would be earth shattering.

 
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PokerPlayer
almost 5 years ago

First of all, we can all agree that making the final table is a great accomplishment. Secondly, we can all see that Harrahs/ WSOP needs some definate improvement and that they have come a long way, good or bad. The problem is fairness, consistancy and communication. We all play the WSOP because we love poker, Harrahs runs the WSOP because they want to make money. They need to be reminded that we all come to play poker and they need to realize that they dont do anything to promote poker or invite players or make the enviornment as enjoyable as it can be. If they played poker or loved the game or even travelled or played anywhere else in the world, they would be able to see the poor job they are doing and how they could easily enhance their tournament/ business.

Shutting out players for the main. It was the mistake of both the shut out players and the WSOP. It is the responsibilty of a player to register, BUT, it was the responsibility of the WSOP to tell us what the cap was. They did not do that, as they did not know. It was a lack of organization and communication. The fact that they provide or provided VIP service is the biggest problem. I think all poker players can agree that we would all rather have consistent rulings / policies for everyone, instead of favorable treatment. This is what the WSOP needs to understand. We have no problem following the rules and policies they set forth, we just have a problem with them not knowing or not telling us and/or not enforcing it on a consistent basis.

I suggest that the WSOP / Harrahs should open their eyes, figure out what needs to be done and try to do it. It is not easy running the largest poker tournament in the world...but hey, this is their business. If they dont know what to do or how to do it, dont you think they should find out by listening to us. Major problem, they forget we are their customers and we come to play poker and they treat us like crap. Dealers are not trained, floor people dont know the rules, and the corp people dont play the game.

Majority of the people who played during the WSOP were very disappointed, the other have no clue... and honestly the rest of the world has no idea of the WSOP because of restricted media coverage. The feel of the WSOP this year sucked, most of us played and couldnt wait to get out of there...Is this really the greatest tournament in the world, is it really the world series of poker?

 
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z1008
almost 5 years ago

Happy... You're a dooch. Do you think CardPlayer would be as popular without the WSOP and Harrahs? I used to have a sub to cardplayer and now I'm moving to PokerNews and Bluff

 
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CardPlayerEditors
almost 5 years ago

Some readers have made statements above regarding Card Player failing to write stories on certain controversial issues, specifically about the Absolute/UltimateBet cheating situations, the WSOP day 1D shutout, and preferential treatment. Here are links to the relevant articles that were written by Card Player regarding those issues that readers may have forgotten about or missed:

Regarding Absolute/Ultimatebet:

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/2898-possible-absolute-poker-security-breach-investigated

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/3013-absolute-poker-releases-investigation-update

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/3309-kgc-fines-absolute-poker-500-000-for-security-breach

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/5457-15-million-cheating-scandal-settlement-completed

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/5609-absolute-poker-and-ultimatebet-are-now-cereus

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/5173-russ-hamilton-reportedly-behind-ultimatebet-cheating-scam

Regarding the WSOP Day 1D shutout:

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/7145-hundreds-turned-away-from-the-wsop-main-event

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/7146-wsop-day-1d-of-the-main-event

Regarding Preferential Treatment at the WSOP:

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/4889-no-call-on-scotty-nguyen-magnifies-flaw-in-wsop-rules

 
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igetitb4u
almost 5 years ago

This is not about the articles that have been written about the WSOP, its about the president of cardplayer making a personal decision that will effect the future of the game.

If Jeff wins and throws away the bracelet it will make the WSOP a joke and make him look like a fool!

Is Harrahs going to make any changes because of this?

How is this going to be a positive motivator for the WSOP big wigs to make some changes?

Wouldn't Harrahs be better off just to keep what you are doing quiet and ignore your stupid a$$?

After going to the poker forums and reading about what the poker world really thinks of this, There is no question that if Jeff follows through with his plan He will put his company out of business and he will go down as the worst WSOP champion ever. Harrahs may not even allow you back in the building for 2010 if you do this.

This would put Jeff in the same category as Russ Hamilton in Harrahs eyes. They didn't want Russ there this year, what would stop Harrahs from not wanting you there in 2010? Nothing!

 
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pikachucards
almost 5 years ago

Mr. Editor,

None of those AP/UB stories came out before regular players already knew about them from the various forums and other sources had written to death about them.

Then you continued to run the ads on your website for those companies.

Yeah, makes a lot of sense.

 
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holdem4food
almost 5 years ago

In reading the postings here .... I learned 2 things ... 1) Harrah's is a company?? Out to make money?? Cater to the have's and shaft the have-not's?? All sounds about right .... 2) Jeff may possibly commit career suicide if he does this .... Jeff, you have 4 months to think this through ... I get making a point .... But by doing this, your not much better than Harrah's customer service (ie: pissing off your customers who are primarily the have-not's who can only wish to be in the Main Event, let alone at the final table).... In the end man, you gotta do what you gotta do .... I don't pay you a dime, so either way your not loosing my money ... lol

 
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iholdem
almost 5 years ago

Jeff is correct in his thought about customer service. To be fair to wsop managment,discussions were being held by mid june about bettering the player experience for future wsop.I have been inside the ropes since harrahs got the wsop. I also agree.

 
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delgadobb
almost 5 years ago

Jeff may not be approaching this in ideal fashion, as some of you have mentioned. That said, I support him grabbing the mouthpiece & speaking for the rest of us. His magazine depends on ad revenue to survive, the WSOP does not. Other major sports or competitions (PGA Golf, PBA Bowling, etc) derive prize revenues from advertisers & sponosors - the WSOP prize money is solely funded by player entries, everything else Harrah's makes is gravy (and it's significant). Does Tiger Woods pay an entry fee equal to his portion of the prize pool to play against other golfers? Poker players do, so they have a right to speak their mind.
Harrah's seems to consistently make decisions based on short-term profits, they're risking killing the golden goose rather than nurturing her to lay golden eggs for eternity. Of any entity, they're in the best position to grow the game, yet it's all about the Benjamins. Open media access is the norm in other sports or competitions as it helps increase visibility & 'grow' the sport. Harrah's? Nah, let's charge 'em. Then, let's sell ad space on & around the tables ala Nascar. (Can you tell Pollack has a marketing background from Nascar?) In addition, let's sell the TV rights without giving the players a cut. Harrah's is making money from so many angles it's disgusting - sadly, I can't really fault them, as nobody's done anything to stop them. That's why Jeff needs to be heard, if there are no repercussions why would Harrah's change their ways?
This year, I only played a few days at the Rio (mostly cash games). After incredible frustration, discussed with numerous floorpersons, I took my business to Venetian (mostly), Bellagio, Wynn & other locales. The rake at the Rio was horrendous, dealers were incompetent & games were slow (no shuffling machines, racks counted every down, etc). Harrah's wants to think the WSOP's the only game in town - a lot of the others took business from them, even if some of the tourneys had record entries. I went back to the Rio on a Friday night in mid-late June & over half the cash-game tables were empty at about 10 PM! Hopefully, Harrah's felt a little pain & learned a lesson from the reduced cash game revenues. The Venetian took a LOT of business from Harrah's this year - at least according to floors & managers there - I'd agree based on what I saw. The Deep Stack tournaments had excellent numbers & plenty of play for reasonable entry fees (many $3-500+). The staff is great, it's a very nice place to play, the dealers are good & they comp you & treat you well. Competition is a wonderful thing - hopefully Harrah's will learn based on what the Venetian & others have done to cut into their business. Poker's a universal game, it doesn't belong to Harrah's Inc.
Good luck in the Final 9, Jeff.

 
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005Pete
almost 5 years ago

So what about the comments "if you win, you will never play poker again?"
Poker is a business. I am sure you know that there are business decisions that need to be made at times. Harrahs is no different. You have the right to disagree. But do not make statements that hurt the game.
Pereonally, I think you are just trying to get sales for you magazine. Oh wait. Is all this a business decision?

 
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spincalero
almost 5 years ago

If you are one of the final two at the table, make a deal with the other guy to chop 50-50...
If the other guy has more chips than you, raise for all but one of your chips and then fold. Eventually you will get blinded out and lose and he will win the bracelet.
Both of you will get an even share of the prize but he will get the bracelet (which I'm sure he will honor, appreciate and deserve more than you)

 
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ljacobs116
almost 5 years ago

Jeff,

Why don't you have a media event, where you blow the bracelet into a million little pieces. That may get Harrah's attention or at least a little national coverage.

 
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joepokerpro
almost 5 years ago

I am not an employee of Harrah's, but a tournament director at a competing casino.

The player counts that the WSOP draws every year is extremely impressive and how Harrah's manages them is equally impressive.

Harrahs does an amazing job keeping poker and the WSOP exciting year after year. They turn sponsorship money and the small rake they take per person into national advertising campaigns, exciting poker television, and record breaking prize pools.

To even make that possible, they are bringing in dealers and floor managers from all over the country and doing a great job of managing people who have never worked together except for that 1 month time span and managing player counts impossible for other casinos to manage efficiently.

OF COURSE THEY ARE IN IT TO MAKE MONEY. Maybe we love to play, but when i go to work... I expect to be paid and paid well for my efforts. This is no different then anything else. If the world's most prestigious event can't make money... there is no hope for any other poker rooms and thus our sport is gone. If you haven't noticed... casinos do not like poker because they barely make any money. Elky will be forced to back to video games, and all you other players will have to find something else to bitch about. Poker players forget far to much that they house needs to win.. or there game is GONE. Pay your rake, have some fun, and if you aren't good enough to break even find something else or just enjoy poker as the entertainment and donate to the other players.

GREAT JOB WSOP, GREAT JOB JACK AND JEFF OF THE WSOP. SHAME ON YOU JEFF SHULMAN FOR LIVING UP TO THE TYPICAL STEREOTYPE OF THE GRIPPLING POKER PLAYER. YOU ARE A TERRIBLE SPOKESPERSON FOR CARDPLAYER MAGAZINE.

 
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dinosaur44
almost 5 years ago

I lost respect for you and your magazine when you were the sponsor for the NBC Heads Up coverage. You awarded the "play of the day" to Shawn Shekhan after slow rolling with quads. Shame on you and that idiot loudmouth! How can we sympathize with you with that attitude?

 
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Mr. Honest
almost 5 years ago

I dont want anyone to get me wrong. I have made money playing poker it didnt make me rich but I have done well and I like the competitive nature of the game However as the number of years that I have played add up I have to say that poker players in general have really turned me off to the game. I know that the losers are leaving and the economy have takin its toll on poker However there is a underlineing factor that I have seen (I live in Vegas and play both Live and online) people in Vegas used to embrace poker players and that opinion has changed. All I hear from friends that work in casinos is very bad stories of how players conducted themselves and the casinos will never put up with that and I believe you will see poker rooms start to get smaller and smaller until there almost non-exsistent.

 
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jyoder30
almost 5 years ago

i dont do bout the players who were shutout of tourny, but i wouldnt want to play for a bracelet unless it was the actual tourny... i mean alot of people play the WSOP for the bracelet and the rep..just dont think it would have nearly same effect as winning actual Main Event

 
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mbarnett56
almost 5 years ago

You want to make a real statement, Jeff?

Win the tournament. Take your entry fee and your expenses. Give the rest to charity.

Anything else is just posturing and publicity seeking on your part.

 
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cduffyr
almost 5 years ago

As someone who has played a half dozen WSOP events (with a little success), I decided to play the main event this year. Being "smart" enough to know that Day 1D could get sold out, I drove on the Friday (Day 1A) round-trip from Irvine, CA to Vegas just to buy into the main event.

On the day I played, I was there early enough to see the line of players that would eventually get turned away. I'm sorry - but what idiots (as Phil Helmuth would say)! Especially the pros! If this is their livelihood, why don't they treat it as a business? Only they can be faulted for not having purchased their buy-ins earlier. They should be embarrassed for their lack of poor judgment.

And Jeff Shulman, I'm sorry, but you just come off as a big whiner, and your behavior is that of a loser, and is detrimental to the world of poker. Please act and do something positive for it.

 
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PokerJoeK
almost 5 years ago

Jeff is right, ALL media should be welcome at the WSOP!!! Could you see 1 media outlet covering the Super Bowl, NO WAY!!!
Harrah's/WSOP should be inviting ANY & ALL media to get as much coverage as possible for the Event and PLAYERS!!!

As for "shutting out" players because of no room the Final "DAY 1", they should have a OPEN DAY between the LAST "Day 1" and "Day 2" and if enough players register, play another "Day 1" in that Open Date or Start letting Players REGISTER the day after the Final Table in November, then NOBODY should complain with 6 months to REGISTER!!!

 
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PokerJoeK
almost 5 years ago

Harrah's is a bunch of CHEAP-Butts!!! I use to be a Harrah's 7 STAR Member and it was hard to get things from them!!!

 
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tonsofcards
almost 5 years ago

Move to Africia and try to play poker. Move to China and play??? What a bunch of cry babies. Why don't you spend your time helping our military that are putting there lives on the line to help you stay alive and even play this game of poker. So you cant get your way. The old way that you seemd to like ( SUCKED TO ME ) in those smoked filled tables. Dont you remember Binions son smoked three packs per round and the Mom ...give me a break. They would not even listen to the little guy. I know because I asked her in 2002 to put in a ramp for the disabled and she WALKED AWAY. Im one of thoses soilders that fought for you and what have you done for our country Jeff...... NOTHING BUT CONTRIBUTE to Gambeling.

Good luck on the final table and then maybe you and your daddy can jion the reserves.

 
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408bovice101
almost 5 years ago

jeff shulman, son. jeff shulman.

 
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joepokerpro
almost 5 years ago

"All I hear from friends that work in casinos is very bad stories of how players conducted themselves and the casinos will never put up with that"

AGAIN AS A MANAGER OF A POKER ROOM THIS IS TRUE! POKER PLAYERS HAVE BECOME A SOCIETY OF BITCHING, COMPLAINING CHEAP DEGENERATES. KUDOS TO THE WSOP FOR ACTUALLY FINDING A WAY TO PRY THAT SMALL RAKE AWAY FROM YOUR CHEAP FINGERS. (max rake on events only 10%)

IF YOU DO NOT CHANGE NOBODY WILL BE COMING TO THE ROOMS, THE ROOMS WILL BECOME SMALLER AND SMALLER. YOUR RECREATIONAL PLAYERS (THE GUYS WHO PAY YOUR BILLS) WILL MOVE ON TO OTHER GAMES WHILE YOU WILL ALL BE SITTING IN ONE SAD CIRCLE OF 10 COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW POKER USED TO BE BIG.

POKER PLAYERS WAKE UP! TAKE A LESSON FROM SOME OF THE CHARISMATIC PROS THAT UNDERSTAND PLAYERS WHO DON'T LIKE SITTING NEXT TO YOU WILL LEAVE AND NOT COME BACK... THERE ARE PLENTY OTHER GAMES THEY CAN PLAY AND LOSE AT!!

 
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joepokerpro
almost 5 years ago

IT WAS SAD TO SEE THAT THE SMALLEST TOURNAMENT IN THE SERIES WAS THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY WILL DO SOME GOOD IN THE WORLD... ANTE UP FOR AFRICA.

STILL A DECENT PAYOUT PERCENTAGE... WATCHING IT .. I LOOKED LIKE A GREAT TIME WITH TONS OF CELEBRITIES BUT LESS THAN 200 PEOPLE PLAYED.

POKER PLAYERS WAKE UP!

 
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joepokerpro
almost 5 years ago

AS FAR AS PEOPLE BEING SHUT OUT OF THE MAIN...

THE WSOP DID THE RIGHT THING. THEY ACTUALLY WENT PAST THEIR CAPACITY OF 2500 ON THE DAY AND WENT TO 2800... AND SHUT OUT THE OTHER IDIOTS WHO THEY COULDN'T SIT. THEY HAVE NOBODY TO BLAME BUT THEMSELVES TRYING TO SHOW UP THE LAST HOUR OF THE LAST DAY.

SUGGESTION OF SITTING 10 PER TABLE?? WHY INCONVENIENCE THE OTHER 2500+ PLAYERS WHO ACTUALLY SHOWED UP ON TIME AND SCHEDULED IN ADCANCE ??

IS THEIR A POSSIBLE WAY TO ACCOMODATE THEM?? LOGISTICALLY... IF DEALERS ARE AVAILABIE.. MAYBE, BUT WHY??? THEY COULDN'T PAY THE DAY BEFORE WHEN THEIR FLIGHT ARRIVED?? OR THOSE WHO ACTUALLY LIVE IN VEGAS HAD 2 MONTHS TO REGISTER ON SITE... AND 3 OTHER MONTHS TO REGISTER ONLINE... OR MAYBE PLAY A, B, OR C .. ITS JUST THAT SIMPLE

POKER PLAYERS WAKE UP!

 
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jckatz
almost 5 years ago

I have to admit $3 million in fees doesn't seem like that much for a casino. Here is an event that needed security, space, and staff for 8 days.

I have a feeling for an organization like Harrah's they make more profit from the parking in a month then they do off the WSP each yet.

 
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maruby
almost 5 years ago

JS - I agree with your position 100%, but I do not feel that giving away your bracelet, should you win it, is the right thing to do in showing your displeasure with Harrah's. I think such an action would be disrespectful to all of those who played in the tournament. Regardless, I will will be rooting for you in November. Best of luck.

 
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BARE
almost 5 years ago

Say what you will about the situation...As one of them "good ole boys",I'm just surprised that I'm in the same frame of mind as Mr. Shulman as far as what the WSOP has become to said advertisers.
"Dem were the days my friend"

 
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mutt6375
almost 5 years ago

Please please please give it to Colbert

 
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PhillyAce
over 4 years ago

Give the bracelet to the worst player of all times.....Gabe Kaplan

 
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budrony
over 4 years ago

i was at your table when the money bubble burst. played only one hand with you. two main event final tables in one decade one of the greatest poker feats of all time.my whole family will be routing for you Jeff. good luck. You deserve it. reconsider, honor the bracelet not harrahs.

 
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redbaron325
over 4 years ago

One suggestion. Hold an open tournament with a modest entry fee. Winner gets the bracelet; the money from all the entry fees would go to whatever charity or charities you wish.

 
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