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Tom Dwan Assumes Some Blame For The Apparent Tanking Epidemic In Poker

Some Question If He's Overestimating His Influence

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On Saturday morning, a Tweet from poker professional Daniel Negreanu rejuvenated the game’s complex and often muddled “shot clock” debate, which has been discussed numerous times over the years. Some live events have experimented with such an instrument, but there has never been any real uniformity in poker on the issue of players taking too long to act — one that can cause problems both in tournaments and in cash games.

That Tweet spawned a series of Tweets from Tom “durrrr” Dwan, who Doyle Brunson once described as “one of the slowest players [he] had ever played with.” In one of his Tweets, Dwan seems to say that he is part of the reason why tanking has become an epidemic in poker.

Dwan was a frequent participant on popular poker TV shows like High Stakes Poker and Poker After Dark, which featured some of the largest cash-game pots ever seen by the masses.

He finished the thought by saying:

Dwan received many Retweets and replies, some in agreement, but at least two from people who didn’t really buy what the high-stakes poker pro was saying publicly.

To put it differently: Has Dwan been this influential to how the game is played?

Another reply was a bit more critical:

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Jerome1
over 6 years ago

I only hollywood if I get 5 bet and have no hand because if I muck quickly that is just like turning my hand face up and letting everyone know that Im capable of making such a move with such a hand. You need people to think that you are layingdown a big hand if you 4 bet them. Cash games are another story. Ive never hollywooded because we are on time rake and the meta game isnt such a big deal.

 
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Phil5
over 6 years ago

lol at this, this is one of the worst examples, when you 4bet you should know if ur going with ur hand. This is exactly the kind of stupid situation people do it in. Its pretty obvious that if you 4bet and then fold it was a bluff. There are not many situations where its correct to 4bet a value hand and fold to a 5bet. People do it live and online or like 3bet, a shove or fold stack and then when the guy sticks it in act like they have a decision, come on you know your folding, we know your folding, just do it already

 
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Pete1
over 6 years ago

I love this terrible logic. Its way worse for your game and image if people think you are actually folding a real hand. No one thinks that anyway when you Hollywood, I dont care if you tanked for half an hour and then folded, I know you folded a bluff. If you don't know what you are doing already to a shove when you 4 bet, you have work to do on your game.

 
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mp2012
over 6 years ago

Please describe a situation where you are 5bet folding... I can't imagine a time where that would be possible unless your a millionaire and are playing beyond deepstack against people who 4bet light a lot...

 
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WPS22
over 6 years ago

Well, if you are like most other players, your 4 bet range is pretty polarized. Meaning you are either 4 betting with a hand you are dying to get it in with, or 4 betting light, knowing you are going to fold to a 5 bet.

So, when you tank then fold, most people just assume you were on the weak/bluff end of your 4 bet range anyway.

And, like has been pointed out, the rare times when someone thinks you are folding a big hand it isn't necessarily great for your image anyway.

 
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Nearchu
over 6 years ago

He definitely had some influence, but at the same it is a logical decision to do hollywood or not. Sometimes you have a big decision to make, what you'll do on the next street and that comes into play when you're hollywooding. The people who take forever on hands if they have the nuts or air etc. can be frustrating due to them having an easy choice, however it will "balance" out their 'tells'. Thus, players on the table should tolerate the speed at people play as they feel comfortable playing slow, medium or fast. Once you take a player out of that zone, they may leave, play worse and give you money or the exact opposite.

 
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Annette
over 6 years ago

hahahahaha i dont understand tankers, u should have a plan before each action.how hard is it ? seriously, if it takes you sooooooooo long to work shit out, maybe you should be elsewhere. hollywooders are even worse, they just like the lime light imo

 
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Jared2
6 years ago

so true i agree if you know you're going to fold whats the point in taking so long

 
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RaiseMyNuttZ
over 6 years ago

omg, durrrrr is so full of himself. durrrr you're a very very weird dude. just watch his interviews, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm emmmmmmmmmmmm hmmmmmmmmmmmmm emmmmmmmmmmmm yea i'm very tired hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, you get it.

 
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Jared2
6 years ago

i hate the way tom dwan thinks for half hour then folds yes he plays a lot of hands but most of what he does people can figure out i mean lots of videos out on the player but tom dwan isn't the cause of taking so long sometimes people just have decisions dwan had nothing to do with this taking so long stuff but yeah if you get 4 bet its usually a big hand if its just a typical internet player 5 bet them i mean they arent going to go all in just doesnt make sense unless they have a big hand and usually people are commited with the five bet so why even do it four bets is usually the sign of a big hand in the casino and off the casino

 
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