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Online Professionals Give Details On Their Plans For The Immediate Future

Some Players Will Focus on Live Poker and Others Will Looks To Relocate

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Friday morning, the Department of Justice indicted the founders of PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker, Absolute Poker and UB, effectively ending real-money online poker for United States citizens. For the casual player, the forced hiatus is nothing more than an inconvenience, but for professional online players, the suspension is an end to their livelihood and a major hit to their wallets.

Card Player reached out to numerous online professionals to get their take on the indictment and to find out what their plans are for the immediate future.


Jason “JP OSU” Potter — ($1.8 million in tournament earnings)

I have been considering going back to school for quite some time now independent of these legal developments. Honestly, this was just the push I needed. The upcoming World Series of Poker will probably be my last hurrah. I’ll go back and finish my undergraduate degree and then I’ll likely go to law school. I’ll always play poker because I still love it, but this is pretty much the end to my time as a full-time pro.


Steve “gboro780” Gross — ($4.1 million in tournament earnings)

My first priority is to get better at live poker, then I can concentrate on some things that aren’t poker related. It will be nice to actually relax on Sundays. If things get really bad, I could always apply for a job at Del Taco.


Zachary “HustlerGrune” Gruneberg — ($1.4 million in tournament earnings)

I’m just going to wait it out. I’ll be okay financially for years and with the World Series of Poker coming up, I’ll already be playing enough poker anyway. I have a pretty optimistic viewpoint on this whole issue. Getting poker regulated will be the nuts. It’s just a matter of time.


David “Doc Sands” Sands — ($2.4 million in tournament earnings)

I really like my live game right now and I’m fortunate to be bankrolled to play just about everything on the live circuit, so I’m not too concerned. That being said, I am very glad that I finished college and have a degree to fall back on.


Thayer “THAY3R” Rasmussen — ($2.6 million in tournament earnings)

I’ll probably try out the live pro thing for a bit or look into other entrepreneurial endeavors. After the World Series of Poker, I might consider moving to another country.


Dan “HundoFight” O’Brien — ($1.1 million in tournament earnings)

This news was certainly disappointing, but I’m primarily a live player so it’s not life ending. I’m still going to travel the circuit, but I’ll probably focus a little more time on my business and live cash games. I am definitely voting for Ron Paul in 2012. He is the only politician I trust to do anything, whether I agree with his views or not. I also think online poker will be legalized and regulated within the next two years.


Jason “jdpc27” Wheeler — ($1.5 million in tournament earnings)

My immediate plans are to establish residency in Mexico and continue to play online, albeit with reduced prize pools, until everything is sorted out. I honestly believe that Canada or Mexico will be a temporary solution for many.


Adam “squee451” Sherman — ($1.1 million in tournament earnings)

Right now I’m undecided between moving to a foreign country to play online or just going back to grad school. I’ll probably make my decision after the end of the World Series of Poker.


Jonathan “FatalError” Aguiar — ($1.2 million in tournament earnings)

I was a live pro before online poker was cool and I can do it again. Otherwise, I’ll go do something honorable, like crash the U.S. gold market with leveraged options contracts through 2015.


Anthony “holdplz” Spinella — ($2.1 million in tournament earnings)

I’m going to see how long it looks like it will take for online poker to return. If it becomes apparent that it’s not coming back, moving out of the country is definitely an option.


Joseph “subiime” Cheong — ($4.7 million in tournament earnings)

I might travel the world, playing and living here and there from month to month. Other than that, I plan to play a lot of golf and workout. The sites will be back before I could establish citizenship anywhere else anyway.


Luke “Bdbeatslayer” Vrabel — ($2.8 million in tournament earnings)

For the time being, I’m going to enjoy my money and play a little live poker. It was fun while it lasted, but I always knew that the government was just waiting to pounce. I’m just surprised that everyone else is so stunned by this news. If you are dumb enough to have 90 percent of your net worth online, well, good luck. I know some players who have $500,000 online that are asking me for loans just because their money is going to be locked up for awhile.


Jason “NovaSky” Koon — ($2.1 million in tournament earnings)

My plans are to play a large number of live tournaments and perhaps some live cash games. There’s a chance that I’ll be looking for a spot in another country for a few years to play online.


Jeremiah “Believer82” Vinsant — ($2.8 million in tournament earnings)

I’m going to have to start playing all of the live events in the United States. I’m also considering making the move to an area such as Nevada or Florida where there is some good action.


Mike “goleafsgoeh” Leah — ($2.3 million in tournament earnings)

Well, first off, this sucks. Secondly, being a Canadian, my immediate plans are pretty much the status quo. I expect PokerStars to continue with the Spring Championship of Online Poker (SCOOP), albeit with much smaller guarantees. I’m still waiting to see what Full Tilt Poker does with the Full Tilt Online Poker Series (FTOPS).


Dan “djk123” Kelly — ($4.1 million in tournament earnings)

I’m going to join the world Scrabble tour.


 
 
 
 

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ipushw8
over 10 years ago

Make your voice heard, help save poker. Take a survey at www.thehiloofpoker.com.

 
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hooligan6275
over 10 years ago

It seems like poker players in the former Soviet Union have more freedom than Americans.

 
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mago
over 10 years ago

The former Soviet Union even has a better tax plan for all their citizens. America was once a bastion of Liberty but has been suck dry by all the laws and welfare statist over the past 60 years. Poker online should be a free choice for the citizens of America, but when the sites create situations such as false business to process money, then the Feds will use their power to confiscate. The feds pushed the sites to create this mess, our Government is not business or citizen friendly. In their arrogance, they see them selves as America ans we, the citizens as squatters on THIER land. Sounds more like a former Soviet communist country than the free USA. But when the banks are solidly in the hands of the FEDS, then what should you expect as well as the many screams and cries of the American people tax the rich. The revolution is over and we are enslaved again.

 
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lctom
over 10 years ago

ONLINE POKER IS BANNED IN RUSSIA TOO!!!!

 
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deadmeat82
over 10 years ago

http://www.PokerXanadu.com/actionplan.htm
Go to this site and call your representatives, the action plan even suggests calling every single rep/senator every day for a week. BE HEARD!!!

 
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clunker
over 10 years ago

Vote for Ron Paul LOL. Maybe Barney Frank would be choice.

 
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notCIA
over 10 years ago

Three days later and a pretty amazing lack of leadership from the poker world.

 
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lookatme23
over 10 years ago

Time to see if Knish still has the delivery truck.

 
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lpro1111
over 10 years ago

Exactly,
Anybody who considers online poker a job or career is the epitome of a loser. Its a game, nothing more. Life goes on people, its not that big a deal

 
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alassnsane
over 10 years ago

Screw you lpro1111 and your sweeping, short-sighted, dismissive opinion...

...I'm severely disabled and online poker was one of very few options available to me for retaining any sense of independence, but your life goes on unchanged so, clearly, it just isn't a big deal, eh?

 
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lpro1111
over 10 years ago

Alassnsane,

I assume you would not make light of being severly disabled, so I am going under the assumption that you are. With that said,I am sorry for your condition but anyone who thinks gambling online is an actual profession and in anyway healthy is delirous.
Read a book or find some other form of entertainment. Believe me, 99% of the people that play poker online will now save alot of money.

 
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alassnsane
over 10 years ago

Ipro,

You really do seem to have a healthy opinion of yourself, as well as a far too healthy opinion of your opinions...something you might attempt to squeeze onto your bloated curriculum vitae? A few lessons in humility.

I've encountered some truly offensive people in my time but you take the cake...drug dealers? Oh yes, clearly there is no difference between a drug dealer and a poker pro, your argument here is patently ridiculous..and how dare you imply that simply because someone chooses to make their living playing poker that they couldn't possibly pay taxes, raise children or contribute to charity as well.

Your choice of a conventional career path lends you no moral highground from whence you can pronounce other people's paths illegitimate, what nonsense...what a closed minded individual you paint yourself to be.

 
 

lpro1111
over 10 years ago

Alssnsane,

You are correct, I do have a healthy opinion of myself and it is well deserved.

Another poster made the statement that "@ thinking consistently making 100k+ a year doesn't constitute a "real job".

I am making the argument that money and money alone does not constitute what a real job is. Asking whether a drug dealer that makes over 100k a year constitutes a real job, is a legitimate question to that posters original statement.

Bottom line is, Anybody who thinks that playing on line poker is a legitimate career choice is immature, and is most likely in serious denial of a GAMBLING problem. Spending hours a day gambling away on a computer is nothing to be proud of. Somebody wants to play poker, go to a legal casino and have some fun every once in a while.

I am not close minded, i just live in the real world. Do yourself a favor and find a new "job", you won't be playing the $2.00 sit and go's any longer. I think McDonald's is hiring.

 
 

PunkFloyd510
over 10 years ago

The thousands of online poker pros would disagree with you. Anything where you make enough money to sustain yourself is considered a profession. If you're a decent pro you work 20-30 hours a week which if you balance your time right is much healthier than a 9-5 office job

 
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lpro1111
over 10 years ago

"Thousands of online poker pros" - Please, give me a break. An online poker pro is an excuse for i have no job so i waste away gambling on line. Sounds like a worthy profession to me.
I would be proud to show up at my kids school career day and tell the class that i gamble online and pretend it is my job.

 
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Triple415
over 10 years ago

"online pro"= Noun. A luckbox who ran hot in a few tournaments on the internet. Good riddance to online poker.

 
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blegend
over 10 years ago

lpro1111 who are you to say what is a real job and how people should earn a living? it's people like you that are what's wrong with this country and why this country is going into the shitter.

 
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slewsack
over 10 years ago

Wheres Ivey, whats he saying? How is he going to unload now? Anyway, meet me at Elverado's, I'm buying the drinks.

 
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PunkFloyd510
over 10 years ago

LOL @ people who think you can "run hot" over millions of hands. Sorry you aren't good at poker, doesn't mean other people aren't. LOL @ thinking consistently making 100k+ a year doesn't constitute a "real job". Online poker is the only real kind of poker, live poker is just degens playing bingo.

 
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lpro1111
over 10 years ago

Your right, I am what's wrong with this country. Let's see.

I am a partner in a busines / advertising agency that employees over 100 people. We offer matched IRA contributions, health care, gym memberships and a few other perks. I pay taxes, sit on the board of 3 charities, and manage to raise 2 kids.

As opposed to sitting on a couch and gambling online all day long. Most likely not paying taxes and not contributing anything to society. Not to mention according the the justice dept the sites are not legal in the USA. If a drug dealer makes over 100k a year, does that mean he has a "real job"?

Anybody who decides playing poker online is a viable career choice has some growing up to do.

And for the record, I play live about once a month and I am a winning player. I just happen to have a head on my shoulders and my priorties in line, which you obviously do not.

 
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conspinc
over 10 years ago

Just because you are a partner in a business doe's not qualify you as the all mighty chief that stands around with the whip and spouts orders at people that want the choice to be free to make a living or substtute their living by means of gambeling. Any business takes gambels. You say you gambel once a month, why do you do it? The same reason everyone else doe's to win, just like you say you do. STFU and mind your on business and stay away from gambeling,leave it to the real gamblers that want it leagelised like it should be. There is no differance in legal casinos and online gambeling. The goverment tracks all bank transactions and I bet they dont know about your un-paid winnings that you supposedly win.

 
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mbarnett56
over 10 years ago

All of that, and you still find time to troll the forums at poker web sites.

Here's what I think. You're a liar. You're probably working at a dead end job, your wife is a shrew, and your kids are screwed up. The only way you can feel good about yourself is to pretend you're a successful businessman and bag on other people online.

I only have one more thing to say. Make sure my fries are hot and fresh, and put the lid on my cup so it doesn't fall off when you hand it out the window.

 
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Gabbo
over 10 years ago

Lpro, you're making generalizations. 2-300,000 players play every day of pokerstars/ftp alone easy. If you are in the top 1%, that is still 2-3 thousand people daily, so this does indeed still affect thousands of people who do it for a living. And these people do pay taxes on their winnings. You cannot just hide $20k bank transactions.

Just ask any big name pro. Thanks to all the tracking websites, they can't hide themselves. Does Gus Hansen even goto a casino anymore? He's won more than $4 million dollars this year so far online! Phil Ivey 1.2 just online. Elky, Galfond, there's a lot of online pros.

Most people just don't live near a casino or regular cash games. I live near one, and I do both live and online games. They have their pros/cons. Unfortunately, there's a hole in my game where I lose effectiveness after about 3 hours or else I would try to be one of these online pros. It's not about growing up. I know my limit, but I won't knock the guys who can do it. Any more than I complain about NBA guys because while I have a pretty good outside shot, I can't dunk.

The complaints from the US really just amount to they aren't collecting taxes and maybe the company transferring through loopholes. They also complain the sites aren't regulated. They just haven't been regulated by the US, but they have by other countries. The WTO has already ruled twice against our US government going after the poker sites.

 
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Triple415
over 10 years ago

I've always thought these sites were a bit fishy. Seems like they finally caught the cheaters.

 
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Triple415
over 10 years ago

Anyone claiming to be a "pro" online poker player is just a glitcher with good software. They probably use holdem manager or a bot bare minimum.

 
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Shawnzjones
over 10 years ago

I think everyone relying on online poker for income should file for unemployment.

 
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