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Contest: Let's Make the 2013 WSOP the Nicest One Yet

by Katie Dozier |  Published: May 14, '13

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Recently, an excellent blog by Kara Scott got me thinking more about bullying in poker. The number of times I’ve seen a “pro” berate a recreational player for sub-optimal play (both live and online) is sickening to me. It is my number one pet peeve in poker!

I’ve heard the argument that poker is a game of emotional manipulation, and that raising a fuss about nastiness at the tables is, in effect, trying to remove a component of the game itself. Personally, I think that is just a weak defense: Rudely pointing out poor play may get inside your opponent’s head, but at the cost of causing them to think more about the game and improve, or leave the felt for good.

Many years ago, when I was learning the game, getting berated made me want to play less, but it also inspired me to continue to improve. At this point, I’m not berated often, but when I am it occurs online and usually results in me gleaning more info about my opponent. If a reg gets irate when I make a standard call versus him and starts hurling insults, I take a note on that player that he probably calls too tight. In reg versus reg bullying, the “victim” can actually have the advantage!

To get back to winning players berating recreational players, though, there are so many reasons why it is a losing prospect for all involved:

-Makes the berated player less likely to play poker.
-If the player does keep playing, makes him more likely to study and improve.
-Has the potential to make everyone else at the table study more and improve.
-Creates a negative environment that is likely to make the table uncomfortable and other recreational players at the table not want to play in the future.
-Has the potential to expose the bully’s leaks to other players at the table.

Closely related to this is another annoying habit of some “pros”: talking about optimal strategy at the table. While this is a lesser offense, as it initially appears to be a victimless crime, it has many of the same negatives as the primary topic at hand. These effects are magnified if the tournament is televised, as it is essentially giving poker lessons for free to a much larger audience than just the other players at their table. And aside from the meta-poker concerns, I have a more Emily Post-like objection to this practice as well— it comes of as arrogant and rude, as if the person’s analysis of the hand is so perfect that everyone is just dying to hear it. Did Garry Kasparov ever openly discuss his chess strategy while playing a match? I highly doubt it!

So, looking forward, what can I (and those that agree with me) do to change this? With the WSOP coming up in a few weeks, that seems like a good place to start! Having sold my prelim package, and with some action remaining in the Main Event, I’m really excited to get back to Vegas and hopefully to not see a single recreational player berated at the tables.

If you agree to stand up for recreational players being berated by winning players at the table, and to avoid discussing optimal game strategy on the felt, please post your name below. I will pick one of the posters at random to get a free 1% sweat of my WSOP Main Event action this year!+

Together, we can make poker a friendlier game at the WSOP this summer! :)

+ Your post must include a way to contact you in case you win, such as email, or twitter handle to be eligible. If I don’t play the main event (I almost definitely will, but just in case), contest is void. Winner will have to fill out a W9 for taxes before paying out. I will announce the winner by June 1st, 2013.

Katie “hotjenny314” Dozier is a lead coach for Team Moshman and one of the Grindettes. An accomplished super-turbo and MTT player, she makes videos for Drag The Bar and PokerStrategy . Dozier, co-authored Pro Poker Strategy: The Top Skills and The Superuser. She posts more frequent updates on Twitter.

 
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Ebrand0420
9 years ago

I am an amateur player and I have stood up many times to the bully, but I can at 6'3 235, ebrand21@gmail.com

 
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Txpokerlover
9 years ago

I, Amy Conner (twitter: txpokerlover) agree!

 
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Shizzmoney
9 years ago

We need more players taking this stance.

Good luck this year at the WSOP!

twitter: Seanismoney

 
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dtblizz
9 years ago

in! name is Paul

 
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dtblizz
9 years ago

twitter: okaypaul

 
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vikings1fan
9 years ago

Agreed. Derwin derwin_j@yahoo.com

 
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theb3rn
9 years ago

I agree, we should all take this stance.
Best of luck !
Bernie {Twitter @DaB3rn}

 
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George12
9 years ago

There's nothing more frustrating than listening to a bully berate a fellow player. Thanks for doing this! May the felt be kind to you this summer.
Twitter: @UsedtobeaScribe

 
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PokerVixen
9 years ago

If I see it happening at the table, I usually look at the offender and say "don't tap the glass" Many get it, and those that don't reveal info to me about them too. I know the hazard of being the berator too as I had a player from an online home game thank me for my snarky comments. He said "I didn't know I was doing wrong but you saying you always wanted me to make that call made you want me at your table. That made me work on and improve my game"

That's an awkward "You're welcome" to give.

Pokervixen on "the twitter" and all the other places you know how to reach me.

 
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nypkkid78
9 years ago

I see this all the time - I agree it is pathetic and useless! All amatures and "professionals" should stand up to this crap! {twitter @nypkrkid78}

 
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thedarkonexx
9 years ago

Should be kind to the people who are recreational or relatively inexperienced, as we were all at that stage in poker once upon a time. Some people just need to be reminded of that every so often. Twitter @thedarkonexx

 
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AdventuresPoker
9 years ago

Katie, How can I not agree? I'll never forget how, when I was facing my own bullying at the table at last year's Main Event, you texted me INSTANTLY to offer your support. I think this is a fabulous idea, and I'm thrilled that you've found such a generous and creative way to take action. YAY!
XOXO
Rachel Kranz, @adventurespoker

 
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BeebsyFBaby
9 years ago

Thank you for your post. Good read.
@beebsyfbaby

 
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rassnd
9 years ago

I agree!

Doug dj26xxx@yahoo.com

 
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jans
9 years ago

I agree with your statement, and would add that pros should treat the dealers with a little more respect. john@schumacher.net

 
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nyy214
9 years ago

Definitely agree

Anthony
amaglietta@gmail.com

 
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IanSimpson
9 years ago

Fantastic piece. I just got berrated myself for being a nit (ha!)

You don't need my contact details - if I win pick a charity to give it too.

 
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Brandon8
9 years ago

I have been saying the same thing for years!!! Good for you for stepping up and speaking out. Brandon Sanders Email - sande1bs@cmich.edu

 
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notCIA
9 years ago

Personally, I love it every time someone talks poker at the table. She is giving away information free. Thank you very much!
If language is abusive, the responsibility falls on the cardroom or casino to take action. If they don't, complain. If they don't address your complaint, take your business elsewhere. Poker is full of lowlifes, always will be as long as good people put up with it. A good cardroom/casino respects and protects its dealers and customers. If it doesn't, you are a fool for giving them your business more than once and you deserve what you get.

 
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jewpoker
9 years ago

While I do love free info, I wholeheartedly agree with your post! Thank you for this opportunity. Twitter: @jewpoker

 
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joey2boys2feeddelia
9 years ago

BULLYING SHMULLYING!!! Bullies are people who hate themselves. If you see a player at the table bullying, kindly point out how sad you feel for someone who is so insecure and unhappy with themselves. GOOD LUCK THIS SUMMER EVERYONE! @joeydelia

 
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NewHampPoker
9 years ago

With kindness and sportsmanship, comes enjoyable, repeat business! Good luck Katie. Robsipademail@gmail.com
Rob from New Hampshire

 
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Jason29
9 years ago

Good Luck!! :]

jason-marlow@hotmail.com

 
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ThePhoenix
9 years ago

I wholeheartedly agree. Thanks for stepping up and taking a public stand.

All the best

Shaun

 
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JohnnyDolce
9 years ago

Johnny Dolce, your knight in shining armor.

@JohnnyDolce

 
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chesspoker1
9 years ago

@chesspoker1

 
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wipplezone
9 years ago

Katie i agree with you and hope you win.I myself hate complete lying about someone else.

 
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wipplezone
9 years ago

Katie i agree with you and hope you win.I myself hate complete lying about someone else.

 
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Giannis
9 years ago

gl
ntelis1988@hotmail.com

 
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Giannis
9 years ago

@nt3lis1
gl <3

 
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George15
9 years ago

Good luck...
George glizardos2@gmail.com

 
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Ilias1
9 years ago

Good Luck

htnemesis@hotmail.com

 
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John61
9 years ago

i am John Alexopoulos an amateur poker player! twitter: @SkULLGr

 
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Schulzeeee
9 years ago

When I see someone get verbally attacked at the table I know that "attacking" player is so close to, or at their tilting point...."stacking hands" look better and better. Find those small-mid pocket pairs and suited connectors against them and watch the fireworks. I believe in poker karma, you get what you deserve. Treat everyone nicely, we are all here to play the same great game.

Twitter: @schulze_88

 
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Paylos
9 years ago

I Agree From Greece...
paylos94@hotmail.com

 
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jfdobb
9 years ago

I agree completely. Twitter: jfdobb

 
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Rahaman
9 years ago

Good luck!
Tzirus@gmail.com

 
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Vandalar
9 years ago

Agreed.
Vandalar@twitter

 
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cardplayerlifestyle
9 years ago

Very simple: Don't tap on the aquarium... you're going to scare away the fish :-) @cardplayerlife

 
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m_peters
9 years ago

I (Michael Peters, @m_peters) completely agree!

 
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thebc44
9 years ago

Couldnt agree more. It's not only a problem in poker but in life at a whole. From children in school to world leaders in charge of running nations. This world would be such a better place if we all thought before we spoke or acted a certain way...we should all be kind to each other and thankful for what we have ."Pay it forwoard". Thebc44@aol.com

 
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Deafness
9 years ago

sadly i dont think this will ever stop... people have to do the smart ass. i guess its ego an ego issue or self-esteem

20100mailhot@gmail.com

 
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uwbryan78
9 years ago

Agreed and Good luck.

Twitter @b_hopping

 
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JohnnieHo
9 years ago

Great post, totally agree!

Twitter @johnnieho

 
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VirginiaBob
9 years ago

hey this is a great idea. I approve and have and will stand up for a player that is getting bullyed. good luck in the wsop. alas i will not make it this year to the wsop as I am retiring and the family will be in the process of moving to vegas.

 
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stevenash
9 years ago

Couldn't agree more with this thought. This has irritated me for years and I don't even play for a living. Good luck in ME, sure would like 1%!

 
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stevenash
9 years ago

coachgardner1@gmail.com

 
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Giannis1
9 years ago

lualua_7@hotmail.com...good luck!!

 
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stone_8
9 years ago

From the day I started playing online following Collins advice from "Sit 'n Go Strategy", the verbal abuse directed towards weak players has astounded me. Thanks so much Katie for clearly articulating the effect these jerks have on our game and for backing your conviction with what will very likely be 1% * say $8,500,000 = $8500.

Mark Estes

mestes1@gte.net

 
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tuffstuff
9 years ago

I'm guilty at some point and/or a victim but it sure made me a better player as I have studied poker for 52 of the 52 years I've played and I am still learning. Thanks Katie, #rungood Rich Miner

 
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JCBOWL825
9 years ago

I AGREE usually all I have to do is stare and shake my head no. Btw
I am 230 lbs and missing some fingers all they have to do is find out I did not go into shock when I lost them and they shut up. Best of all is when the older regulars give it back to them first and especially the ladies as they are smiling and sweeping in the pot.

JCBOWL825@GMAIL.COM

 
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kingmen10
9 years ago

Chris King

sheffield16 on lock
kingmen10 on carbon
chris king on FTP
kingmen10 on Pstars

sheffield16@yahoo.com

 
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Louis-Do
9 years ago

you are absolutly right !
everybody should act with class at a poker table
louis_do@hotmail.com from france

 
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Clay_Matthews
9 years ago

Good Luck. ck12001@msn.com

 
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NoNameJoe
9 years ago

Poker is not a nice game.
Also people who do this are only hurting them selves.
Most of the time when it happens to me the other player lost the hand and just look very stupid saying I played it wrong after I have won. More people should do this stop giving people good advice its hard enough to win as it is LOL.

 
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cparsley1
9 years ago

Katie, heck yes... TID at the WSOP, and I agree, lets make the WSOP the nicest yet.

@cparsley1 for Twitter :)

 
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gunslingerbach
9 years ago

Totally agree. Great Blog. @gunslingerbach

 
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VoiceOfReason
9 years ago

Great post, also another negative effect can be seen in the reduced online traffic such as for the Steps STTs on Party Poker.

All the best for the WSOP xx xx

iandkappac@hotmail.com

 
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Vina
9 years ago

Absolutely! I've heard and read it all as to why they do this, but I couldn't agree more.. it IS a weak defense at most. I honestly feel it's poor sportsmanship, at best.
As for the strategy talk, save it for a beer with your buddies AFTER the game Please don't be handing out valuable information that has taken me years to glean and finesse so Joe Schmoe can suddenly see the light and take away any portion of my stack.
Awesome point and article! I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels strongly about this :0)

Thanks for the contest and Wishin' ya tons of run good at the WSOP!

Coyotetears@hotmail.com

 
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babiesdonttalk
9 years ago

couldn't agree more. well written blog post! i love your call to action, and i love the 1% free roll as well.

anytime i hear anyone taking away from the game i love by berating another player i calmly try to stop them by explaining that it's not smart to give away free poker lessons at the table.

you are the bomb mrs 3.14, i hope to see you this summer

-Jerry Cohen
@babiesdonttalk

 
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michaelpags
9 years ago

Totally agree. All these jackwagons do is try to stroke their own egos. No good comes of it. Good luck at the WSOP.
twitter: michaelpags

 
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kevko_2000
9 years ago

GLGL. This will be the wsop of the Dozier ;)
Kevin K
kevko_2000@yahoo.com

 
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sclvt
9 years ago

I'm a fish and I'm well aware of it. I just play for fun and hate when players make me feel badly about my play. I don't shop often or go out to eat often. Instead I consider my poker money recreation. I know I'm a losing player in the long run, but when players insult me for whatever moves I make I feel less inclined to continue playing with them.

Thanks for standing up to bullying, even if one of the reasons is just to keep taking money from players like myself.

https://twitter.com/ShaneCLee

 
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sclvt
9 years ago

https://twitter.com/ShaneCLee

 
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IslandProphet
9 years ago

I totally agree! I don't know the odds of hands winning, I just play what I feel will help me win. But when I make a "Donkey call" and win, I'm berated. Once, I was so lucky, won 1 month straight at my friends regular Thursday night game. His friends asked him IF he could stop inviting me, because I'm a "DONKEY". I try to explain, it's just luck and I can't possibly win all the time. Needless to say, I just found another game to go to.

islandprophet@gmail.com

 
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glenn161274
almost 9 years ago

You are so right Katie, lets hope karma comes into effect ! And someone who respects the diversity of people wins . So lets hope you are that person !

 
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Psychovas
almost 9 years ago

I'm with you. Bad manners are just irritating online. Live it's like school bullying, especially when people gang up on someone. My guess though is that Tony G won't support your goal though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr4LnhLQF3o

 
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Allipearl
almost 9 years ago

I love it--GL, Katie! :) @allipearl

 
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ccmccaul
almost 9 years ago

Definitely on board with this! Go Katie go!

Twitter ID : p0k3rz (second character is a zero)

 
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notCIA
almost 9 years ago

Is it June 2nd already?
This WSOP I would like all of us to keep our word. If we say we are going to do something, we should do it. It will be for the betterment of the game in the long run. ;-)

 
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notCIA
almost 9 years ago

Was anyone else expecting a public announcement on June 1st?

 
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