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What’s Your Play? Busted Draw

by Andrew Brokos |  Published: Jul 30, '12

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This is from one of the early $2000 SCOOP events. Villain is new to the table, but I don’t recognize him, which says something in a $2000 online tournament (though not a lot, since I’m hardly a regular these days).

PokerStars – $2000+$100|700/1400 NL (6 max) – Holdem – 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BB: 98,335.00
UTG: 54,778.00
MP: 64,567.00
CO: 92,186.00
BTN: 139,809.00
Hero (SB): 115,612.00

BB posts ante 175.00, UTG posts ante 175.00, MP posts ante 175.00, CO posts ante 175.00, BTN posts ante 175.00, Hero posts ante 175.00, Hero posts SB 700.00, BB posts BB 1,400.00

Pre Flop: (pot: 3150.00) Hero has Ah 6h

fold, MP calls 1,400.00, fold, fold, Hero calls 700.00, BB checks

Flop: (5250.00, 3 players) 2h 3c 9h
Hero bets 3,333.00, fold, MP calls 3,333.00

Turn: (11916.00, 2 players) 2s
Hero checks, MP bets 4,800.00, Hero calls 4,800.00

River: (21516.00, 2 players) 7d
Hero ?

Post your thoughts, comments, and questions here. I’ll do my best to respond throughout the week and post results on Friday.

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Steven7
6 years ago

I think this is a check/fold. You really showed a ton of weakness after the bet out of the flop and then the check/call on the turn. A bluff is highly unlikely to work as villian can virtually rule out:
1. a duece (you would have likely checked/raised turn for value/protection vs. flush draw)
2. an overpair (you would have likely squeezed for value preflop)
3. a flopped set (hell, its just hard to make one and i think you would likely continue to bet turn)

IMO, your hand appears relatively faceup. In the villians shoes, I'd most definately call any reasonable bet on the river with any 9+ or maybe even 66 or 88. Its possible vil has a worse missed FD, QJs or something and your hand may get shown down with a check behind.

However, to me, the villian really seems strong here and is capable of having limped in with 22,33,99,or 77 which you obv have no fold equity against.

The second best play is an overbet river check/raise, but any reasonable river leadout will likely be called by vil's entire range here minus his own missed FD.

 
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Steven7
6 years ago

No need to get crazy here with still over 100k in chips and the button on the next hand.

 
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oldmanriver
6 years ago

Do not like check call on turn i would just fold

 
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trentbridge
6 years ago

MP was first to act and yet limped in pre-flop. Hmm. Probably doesn't have a monster - ace - weak kicker, small pair, perhaps? As you're the SB you could have virtually any two cards. When you bet the flop - he calls. He may put you on a flush draw or he might think you hit the flop. When the second two hits on the turn, he bets - perhaps now thinking his ace high or small pair is still ahead. You call - so he's wondering if you're on a flush draw or have a larger pair than his. On the river, you have to make a bet. Checking the river just confirms you were on a flush draw and missed! Make a thin value bet - say 5,000 - so he has to decide if he ever had the best hand. Even if you're called and lose - you've shown you'd bet the river with air. Later on in the tournament, this will get your winning hands called more often.

 
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trentbridge
6 years ago

MP was first to act and yet limped in pre-flop. Hmm. Probably doesn't have a monster - ace - weak kicker, small pair, perhaps? As you're the SB you could have virtually any two cards. When you bet the flop - he calls. He may put you on a flush draw or he might think you hit the flop. When the second two hits on the turn, he bets - perhaps now thinking his ace high or small pair is still ahead. You call - so he's wondering if you're on a flush draw or have a larger pair than his. On the river, you have to make a bet. Checking the river just confirms you were on a flush draw and missed! Make a thin value bet - say 5,000 - so he has to decide if he ever had the best hand. Even if you're called and lose - you've shown you'd bet the river with air. Later on in the tournament, this will get your winning hands called more often.

 
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iambobby
6 years ago

Calling on turn is ok if you plan on playing a small pot. Calling w/ a flush draw when the board is paired is dnagerous if the action gets too big.

 
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greg896
6 years ago

Villain Open limps ( assuming fairly wide)
Hero leads a flop that should hit his range pretty well and V calls
Turn is a brick, we check call...This should appear to V that our range is a hand with showdown value most of the time... a draw some % of the time or rarely a monster.... River is basically a brick......So I think we can look at this 2 ways....1) we either have the best hand and want to get more value out of V (Flush draw/Straight draw) by checking and letting him bluff or 2) bluff V off a one pair hand ( his most likely holding IMO)...... I think our best route is to check and reeval based on his sizing etc... If he bets 1/3-1/2 pot Id be more inclined to think he has a pair and try to bluff him, if he bets larger I like calling, as I feel Ace high will be good a decent amount of the time

 
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Chet
6 years ago

I think check calling river should be a big consideration. Your beat majority of their draws and chop with a few others. You lose to AT/AJ/A7 flop floats but they raise them some % of the time preflop and not betting them on river majority of time. You will see a lot of floats from 8T JT,QT, KT,KJ etc from a lot of players on these type of boards.

If river was a 4 or 5, I'd be more likely to fold, but villain has to bluff river with his missed draws to win the pot. I think you'll show a profit by c/c if they do not value bet/bluff 44-66/78/A7/88 and if they value bet/bluff those hands a check raise could be a big consideration. Cash game I think a c/r wouldn't be a big consideration since players like this don't hand read well where in a big MTT they will fear putting majority of chips in to hero call.

 
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naugie
6 years ago

grunch.

His limp is weak, as is your limp. You led out oop, so you would either be looking to bluff first, or you hit the flop weakly and want to establish the lead to try to take it down small, but you wouldn't have a monster here, unless you hit a set of twos or threes, or if you are known to play 23 here, which I myself might be. Your bet could easily be A2, A3, A9, 22, 33, 44, 55, 66, or 45, 56, 79, 89, T9, J9, Q9 or JT. His calling the flop on a 2 flush board could be a weak draw, overs, or similar hands pairing the 9, not A9 or he likely would have raised. His range is actually wider than yours, as he has position. You check the flop and he bets, which could still be the same range if he called to steal. The 2 likely doesn't help him unless he has a 2, but that seems unlikely to me. He only bet a third of the pot, which looks very weak considering the draw, and that he didn't raise the flop if he had a set. Your call actually looks fairly strong, since you know he could bet again, and there's a possible flush draw or gutshot wheel draw. Now you look like you have a 2, 33, or the flush draw, or one of the other weak hands and you think he's playing overs in position.

Options on river are check/fold, check/call, check/raise, bet/fold.

check/fold is fine, you have nothing, and you'll live to play another hand.

check/call is very bad. You can only beat a weaker bluff than yours.

check/raise 2.5 times villain's bet, should he bet 3rd pot to half pot again is good. You have played as if you hit 3 combos of 77, 3 combos of 33, 2 combos of A2s, 1 combo of 23, 4 combos of 45s, 56s, and 3 combos of 67s, 78s, 89s. Your bluffing range is bigger but so is your fold equity because of the tourney bust possibility. The downside is if he calls, you lose 30,000 which still leaves you okay, and you'll still be very aggressive.

Bet 2/5ths of the pot is weak. If you check and he checks behind, you could win. You bet and he calls you lose.

It's really how you hold up against the table here, imo. If you're better than the table and playing patiently, check/fold. If you're controlling the table well with your aggression, check/raise. You don't have much info on this guy, so check/fold is a good idea. This way you have more time to get a line on his play before you take the more aggressive betting line, and he gets a hand to think you're more passive than you are.

 
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