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Massive Satellite Fail

by Andrew Brokos |  Published: Aug 31, '10

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold’em, 109 Tournament, 200/400 Blinds 50 Ante (4 handed) – Poker-Stars Converter Tool from PokerSavvyPlus.com

Hero (UTG) (t8288)
Button (t219)
SB (t4401)
BB (t17092)

Hero’s M: 10.36

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8, 8
Hero calls t400, Button calls t169 (All-In), SB calls t200, BB bets t17042 (All-In), 2 folds

Flop: (t1569) Q, 10, K (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t1569) J (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t1569) 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t1569

Results:
Button had 8, 10 (one pair, tens).
BB had A, A (straight, Ace high).
Outcome: BB won t1569

Anything other than checking it down all the way here is just preposterously bad and demonstrates a really fundamental lack of understanding of satellite strategy. This was surprising because Villain is a Team PokerStars Online Pro who plays a ton of these things and had otherwise played quite well as we approached the bubble.

None of us here has an interest in anything other than maximizing the odds of busting the short stack on this hand.

Andrew Brokos is a professional poker player, writer, and teacher. He is also an avid hiker and traveler and a passionate advocate for urban public education. You can find dozens of his poker strategy articles at www.thinkingpoker.net/articles and more information about group seminars and one-on-one coaching at www.thinkingpoker.net/coaching.

 
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R.J. Stuffnpuff
over 11 years ago

Thanks for the blog. Do any of these bozos who are critical of you ever sit down and play you. I'll bet I P freely pisses away money online to lesser players thant you everyday. Good luck at the tables.

 
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KingaDimuns
over 11 years ago

seriously, IP must think that brokos plays one hand a week, and this was it. i think its nice to see how pros take the hands that they didnt win and learn from them anyway. the point of this post is pointing out that pocket aces should simply check it down, not try to get it heads up. it really doesnt make sense.

 
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LoProPoker
over 11 years ago

Wait Brokos do you mean the villain shoud had called and checked all the way with Aces so there would 2 or 3 hands vs 1for a better chance busting short stack (collusion) and sometimes there your right it would but not when a plyer holding Aces maybe jj or lower yes.......I think if he had a marginal hand yes but not with Aces hes telling the table I can beat this guy get out my way I dont need your help..I think this is what im getting by your blog here because I have been in position before playing sngs and I do get mad when people raise me out of a hand when i have a chance to bust out short stack and they have semi weak hand but if they show aces I feel like its justified. Let me know what you think or if i wrong about your blog

 
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rorrrr
over 11 years ago

seriously comments? fundamentally obvious. whole tables aim: eliminate short stack. Raising AA = decreases chances of elimination. checking AA lowers percentage of the all in player. fundamentally not difficult spot or decision

 
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clunker
over 11 years ago

LoPro there are 4 people left in sat. 3 of the people get the same prize [unlike your situation where it sounds like you are playing for larger prize money the higher you finish] . When 1 more person goes out this sat. is over the 3 people left get the same entry. It is and accepted practice that all 3 larger stacks just call and check down in this situation to eliminate the short stack [as long as they don't talk about it]. It is completely idiotic {even if the huge stack has quads in the hole} to do what this guy did and blow everyone else out of the pot. In away this is reverse collusion giving the short stack a better chance to survive.

 
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showtime629
over 11 years ago

His criticism of this player is spot on...the guy had 1/3 of a BB left and the three others get a satty seat.

Its not even debatable...I can see this happening at a lower level, but its just insane, and really not able to be explained.

 
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TheFly
over 11 years ago

Maybe the "AA" Pstars Pro had a read that one of you two remaining medium stacks might actually call his shove, in that case how can it be a wrong move? You think "AA" Pro, who has next biggest stack more than 2x covered, really cares who doesn't get the seat? If one of you two is dumb enough to call his shove, it is more likely that his AA will beat at least one of you for the win. Even if his AA lost, super shortstack is still in pretty much same situation, and "AA" Pro has even more chips to due dead money in pot, which will allow him to raise you medium stacks with impunity cause you are folding 99% of your hands so long as there is super shortsack. IMHO, I think "AA" Pro was just having a laugh with this situation.

 
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clunker
over 11 years ago

While the AA Pro was having a laugh with his dumb play he was in reality giving the short stack a 15% chance to win while he was in reality gaining nothing by blowing everyone else out of the pot. By his play he made it more likely that he could lose his entry by giving the short stack a better chance of winning.And if you don't understand that[the 400 chips dead money he would pick up means nothing]if he went on to finish 4th in sat.

 
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Cal3e
over 11 years ago

@TheFly

The Stars pro has NOTHING to gain by shoving AA here. His goal should be qualifying for the satellite, and THAT'S IT.

In order to maximize this goal, you should have as many people in the pot trying to eliminate the shortest stacked player.

It doesn't matter if 'oh well he's still short if he loses' - the goal is not to acquire chips, it's to eliminate a player.

 
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Cal3e
over 11 years ago

@IP,

It's one thing to insult/berate someone who posts a blog that you disagree with, but you didn't even read the post.

If you think that Brokos is complaining because he lost the hand, you clearly are clueless and don't understand what a satellite is.

 
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clunker
over 11 years ago

The short stack actually 4x to about 700 chips here if he wins which is still very short. At that point the guy with 65% of the chips is still a huge favorite to get a seat but until there are only 3 players left he does not have a seat. And though the chances are small he can still go out 4th he is not a lock to win and entry as you seem to think IP.Any way you look at it ,it was not a smart play to shove here.

 
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BigDoggy
over 11 years ago

It's not a massive fail. Considering stack sizes it's a very small mistake with very little downside risk.

 
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swallsjr
over 11 years ago

Brokos, I agree. Worst shove ever. The only thing that would have been worse is if one of you other guys called. All the raise does is improve the allin players chance of winning and equity by creating dead money. Horrible shove.

 
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