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I agree with Palin and Fox news!!!!!

by Lee Watkinson |  Published: Oct 22, '10

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First off I want to congratulate Dan and Erik on being voted into the Hall of Fame. Very well deserved on both accounts. They have been two of the most consistent performers on the tournament circuit since before I played poker.

NPR recently fired an analyst for saying he has felt nervous being on a plane with muslims before, which is not quite as controversial as what I said in a recent blog about being in favor of profiling to make airline screening more effective. Are they really firing him for just being honest? I mean, how many of you can swear that you wouldn’t be just a little nervous if there were four young men sitting together speaking Arabic on a plane flying from NYC to LA?

I think what they are really doing is dishonest. They have probably been looking for an excuse to fire him because they didn’t like that he also worked at Fox news, and used this lame excuse which was foolish, as it let Fox be on the correct side of an issue, for once.


Both this and CNN’s firing of Rick Sanchez are like a girl who wants to break up with you cause you have a crappy job, but instead starts a fight because she saw the way you looked at another girl. CNN should have just said Sanchez was a goofball and NPR should have said that they didn’t want anybody working for them to also work for Fox. I love NPR and hate that they have tarnished their credibility this way.

Lee Watkinson has accumulated nearly $4 million in tournament winnings over his career. His accomplishments include a World Series bracelet in the 2006 $10,000 pot-limit Omaha event and an eighth-place finish in the 2007 WSOP main event. Lee is a Full Tilt Pro and uses his poker winnings to help a chimpanzee rescue charity. Learn more about Lee at his website, www.leewatkinson.com.

 
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trentbridge
over 10 years ago

Have to disagree. What is the acceptable ending to this sentence:

"I get nervous when I get on a plane and I see a row of:

A) Black (Young males)
B) Orthodox Jews
C) Oakland Raiders fans
D) Jehovah Witnesses
E) Fat people on one side of the plane
F) Nuns praying with rosaries?
or
G) Shackled prisoners?

Did the 9/11 hijackers get on their planes in "muslim garb"?

Nope!

Assuming the flight is less safe because of people's religious beliefs or dress code is wrong. He worked for NPR so he knew their code of behavior plus he knew he had a job with Fox if he f*cked up!

 
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LeeW
over 10 years ago

If he planned this he is a super genius. Juan is way beter off now. I think he just made a deal getting millions from Fox and was probably getting next to nothing from NPR. I don't think he could have predicted NPR would be so stupid though.

 
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JohnnyOnTheSpot
over 10 years ago

Hear, hear.

 
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LeeW
over 10 years ago

If he planned this he is a super genius. Juan is way beter off now. I think he just made a deal getting millions from Fox and was probably getting next to nothing from NPR. I don't think he could have predicted NPR would be so stupid though.

 
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LeeW
over 10 years ago

Also I didn't know his name bfore this happened.

 
 

bipbapboop
over 10 years ago

I (along with many other people) can swear that I wouldn’t be nervous if there were four young men sitting together speaking Arabic on a plane flying from NYC to LA.

You're more or less an idiot Lee. You suck at using your brain.

 
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LeeW
over 10 years ago

You wouldn't be nervous because you assume they were properly screened.

 
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bipbapboop
over 10 years ago

No Lee, I wouldn't be nervous because I wouldn't assume that every Muslim is a terrorist. That's a huge leap.

You're allowing the media to manipulate you into believing that you have to be scared of the one billion Muslims in the world, when only a tiny, tiny fraction are extremists.

Like I said, You suck at using your brain.

 
 

TheFly
over 10 years ago

Where did all these Muslim apologists come from? So ready to stand up and defend those that tried and successfully killed thousands of Americans? Just baffling.

And why shouldn't we be nervous seeing a bunch of Muslims on an airplane? Did we forget why every commercial air passenger must now take off his shoes (and practically disrobe as well) for screening? Oh yeah, it's because Muslims on a commercial flight tried to light their shoes on fire that had been converted into a bomb.

Oh but no need to feel nervous at all, lets just strip search and take away Grandma's knitting needles so we don't offend any particular group, regardless of whether 100% of commercial air terrorist activity has come from Muslims.

Wake up, there is a serious problem in the world's hands right now called Islam.

 
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w1s3guy32
over 10 years ago

A perfect example of how the progressive liberal elite, the brightest minds and most educated, left-wing intellectuals this country has to offer have taken political correctness so far that Juan WIlliams has become a target simply because of his association with FOX News. Juan exemplifies how liberalism no longer resembles or is even remotely consistent with rational, conventional American wisdom.

More blacks and hispanics should realize that the conservative movement in this country, particularly the tea-party believe our federal governemnt has failed everyone, especially blacks and minorities. If you beleive the tea-party is racist or anti immigration think again then keep funding NPR with your tax dollars.

A support your other local liberal spin-masters.

More freedom doesn't just for white people. We want everyone to have maximum freedom to persue your own dreams and goals, reach your full potential without federal interference, regulation and taxation.

Less government, less taxes, more freedom. The people run this country not the government. Make a note of that.

Bob

 
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mikeyb111
over 10 years ago

I get nervous when I see anyone who looks like Timothy McVeigh.

 
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BigJoeJones
over 10 years ago

Freedom of speech is a "protected" right we have in the USA. Furthermore Juan's intent was not meant to due harm or filled with hatred or malice. He can't help how he feels and he shouldn't be fired for admitting his feelings because they may or may not be PC or in line with how his employer feels. This is just another way to stifle freedom of speech and thinking that differs from the far left.

Regardless of what his feelings or opinions are, as long as they do not infringe on the liberties and rights of others, he is entitled to them. NPR definitely wouldn't fire one of their employees for saying that America has gotten what it deserves? Or that conservatives are racists and bigots? Obv not. There's a double standard and its a pretty transparent game that's being played here. If you are on the right side of the fence you can say and do as you please. If you are not then you are targeted,ridiculed,attacked and demonized.

It's anybody who thinks and speaks for themselves. It's anybody who doesn't tow the line. It's insanity and it's time to be done with the great liberal experiment that started 2 years ago. Our rights are clearly defined in the Constitution. They can only be taken away if we essentially give them away. Start saying no and be confrontational when people step on your liberties and freedoms. If you don't it starts with losing your job and could end up being losing much, much more.

 
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WPS22
over 10 years ago

Being a poker player, you think you'd have better logic than this and look at the probability and facts. Do you really think that if you see a muslim man on a plane, there is a good chance he is going to hijack it? Muslims fly on planes in this country every single day, and have been for decades. 99.9999999% of these men have not hijacked the plane they were on.

There is a far greater chance that the plane you are on will crash. If I said I was terrified of a plane crash every time I got on a plane, it would sound irrational.

 
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SabaAba
over 10 years ago

I don't think you are irrational if you are afraid the plane will crash every time you got on a plane. Many people have that fear. But those people are not called names by those who feel otherwise.

Bottom line, let people feel how they want, you don't have to agree with them. You also shouldn't hate them because their feelings differ from yours.

 
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oldeschoolpkrr
over 10 years ago

It is gratifying to see even liberals like Lee (and juan Williams) waking up to the fact that the left is the most hate filled and intolerant bunch of hypocrites...which is how they like to portray us on the right. In fact the whole coutry is waking up, and will soon boot most of them out of office and cleanse our government of them. Too bad they have had free reign for the past 2 years and have had the opportunity to mess things up so bad.
You in Nevada....how can you even THINK of re electing that slimeball Harry Reid? Are you serious? That old lefty has singlehandedly ruined our economy...and has left nevada basically a wastland....and some of you are going to vote for him????? PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE NOW!!!!!!
I wouldn't care if Sharon Angle was a lesbian Nazi left handed buddist nun with a lisp and 1 leg.....I would vote for ANYBODY>>>ANYBODY!!! over Dingy Harry... A vote for Harry Reid is a vote for Obama and a vote for socialism.....

NEVADANS...WAKE UP!!!!!

 
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dsgnr4hire
over 10 years ago

obviously you been listening to rush for too long oldeschoolpkrr that you don't realize you're actually spewing the same exact choice words such as "slimeball harry", "dingy harry", etc. which he uses a lot on his radio show. you probably not know this (or don't care) but your "dingy harry" actually has done a lot for nevadans than any of your tea party candidates. just recently, he basically saved hundreds of jobs and was responsible for having the city center project completed. so next time, before you recite the all-too familiar right wing talking points, do some research!!!

 
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JaxFull
over 10 years ago

@WPS22

There is a far greater chance that the plane you are on will crash. If I said I was terrified of a plane crash every time I got on a plane, it would sound irrational.

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Williams only said seeing Muslims on board made him nervous, not "terrified."

Poker odds? How about this:

If this plane and its 200 passengers are attacked it will be by the:

1. 5 Muslim young men on board
2. The pilot
3. 24 Methodists
4. Bill Gates

I think you know the answer.

Muslims make me nervous on land, in the air, at sea. So, sue me.

 
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Kslo5
over 10 years ago

@jaxfull...

First and foremost, your little pole is a 100% loaded question. Of course the muslim's stick out amongst those that you have listed. List the 5 young muslim men amongst other equally sterotyped races and reglious groups, and maybe the answer will change.

 
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hitking1
over 10 years ago

YES, i assume that every Muslim IS indeed a terrorist!!!!!! Plain and simple. Muslims attacked my country on 9/11. All you left leaning cry babies suk it up. Muslim=terrorist.

 
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LeeW
over 10 years ago

There is absolutely no danger of Sharia law here in the US, 0%.
There is however a danger of the christian equivalent comming through religous right and tea party, look at the wack jobs like Palin and her friends Angle and Odonnel running right now.

 
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w1s3guy32
over 10 years ago

Ah Lee you disapoint me.

One nation under God.

It is the only principal ALL religeons agree on.

Glenn Beck raised his hands with the leaders of the big three. Islam, Judeism, Christianity.

We all agree, we all have god-given, inaliable rights that no government can weasle away from us.

Sarah Palin is no more "radical" a' Christian than Barack Obama.

And the right wing fundementalist christian militias that may be ecncoutered are rare as hen's teeth in this country.

The only difference between most liberals and most conservatives is the role of government. Not religeon.

The liberal propganda machine is running out of steam.

Painting people like Sarah Palin as radical right wing and everyone in the tea-party as racist, intolerantm bigoted and closed minded isn't working anymore.

Conservatives embrace Juan Williams as an example of how people can bridge gaps not devide them.

Bob

 
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clunker
over 10 years ago

On the Charlie Rose Show last night it was stated that NPR had warned Mr. Williams on numerous occasions that about his intolerant remarks before he was fired. So it isn't like he didn't know their rules and standards. It was also stated that while nearly all media outlets hold their reporters to certain standards FOX is the one media outlet that rewards intolerant and racists rants by their entertainers.

 
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w1s3guy32
over 10 years ago

MYTH: Sarah Palin is "extreme", "radical" and "right-wing".

FACT: Just like painting tea-partiers as racist, this is purely the liberal spin-machine firing on all cyliders.

Even the notoriously liberal Washington Post, is reporting this myth and spelling out that Sarah's position on nearly every issue can only be described as "main stream". Read: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/14/AR2010101404794.html?nav=hcmodule

Myth: The republican party and conservatives represent the party of ant-immigration, racism, bigotry and zenophobia.

Fact: Conservatives are beside themselves that liberals have so completely distorted the truth that legions of blacks and minorites are flocking to the polls and electing people like Barack Obama who represents a left-wing ideology that nowhere resemebles main-stream, traditional American values.

Conservatives believe immigrants who have earned their right to be US citizens are purely marginalized by this liberal lie. Blacks and mexicans should ALL be conservative so opportunity, freedom, free markets and the persuit of happiness remains a real possibility. Keep voting liberal and the government will own all our asses, black, white, brown and olive.

Both the republicans and democrats have failed us miserably. The tea-party is purely a grass-roots expression of our frustrations.

The divide is in the role of government.

Liberals, want allot of it and want you to pay allot of taxes.

Conservatives don't.

It's just about that f'n easy.

Bob

 
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JaxFull
over 10 years ago

@Kslo5

List the 5 young muslim men amongst other equally sterotyped races and reglious groups, and maybe the answer will change.

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Your request makes no sense. Please try again.

 
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bipbapboop
over 10 years ago

Yes it does make sense.

He was making the point that the other groups you listed are ridiculous...the pilot, Bill Gates...??

 
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JaxFull
over 10 years ago

@Richenough

if Muslim = terroist what does Christian = ? what about Catholic = ? What about athesist = ?

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How many Christian suicide bombers have you heard about? And Catholics? And, believe it or not, I haven't heard of a single atheist exploding himself.

Not all Muslims are terrorist but 99.99% of terrorists are Muslims.

 
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bipbapboop
over 10 years ago

Ever hear of Timothy McVeigh?

 
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dsgnr4hire
over 10 years ago

is it then okay to say...not all christians are child molesters but 99.99% of child molesters are christians?

 
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JaxFull
over 10 years ago

@LeeW

There is absolutely no danger of Sharia law here in the US, 0%.

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Sorry to disappoint but it's already here. In 2003 the 2nd Texas Court of Appeals upheld an arbitration agreement that referred the parties to the "Texas Islamic Court" for certain aspects of remediation.

Excerpt from opinion:

"1.The Parties agree to arbitrate all existing issues among them in the above mentioned Cause Numbers in the appropriate District Court, which includes the Divorce Case, the child custody of the [sic] Noor Qaddura and Farah Qaddura, the determination of each party's responsibilities and duties according to the Islamic rules of law by Texas Islamic Court.

"2.All parties agree to sign the Texas Islamic Court required legal forms, and each party pays his required fees."

http://www.2ndcoa.courts.state.tx.us/opinions/HTMLopinion.asp?OpinionID=14601

There should be no law except that which conforms to the US Constitution -- which this doesn't.

 
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LeeW
over 10 years ago

Sounds to me like two parties just agree to arbitration. It's like when you go on Judge Judy.

 
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bipbapboop
over 10 years ago

If the decision didn't conform to the US Constitution, it would have appealed to higher and higher courts until it was struck down as unconstitutional.
Therefore, it is constitutional.

JaxFull, do you have the self-awareness to realize that you're a racist?

 
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JaxFull
over 10 years ago

@LeeW

The fact that two people made an agreement doesn't make it legal. It cost me $26,000 in divorce court to learn that lesson.

Judge Judy doesn't run an arbitration service. She hears evidence, applies the law to it and renders a judgment. She runs an actual court of law.

The problem with the Texas decision is that it legitimizes Islamic courts. This is an abomination that should not be permitted to exist.

 
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JaxFull
over 10 years ago

@bipbapboop

If the decision didn't conform to the US Constitution, it would have appealed to higher and higher courts until it was struck down as unconstitutional.
Therefore, it is constitutional.

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Laws are made all the time and are upheld by courts that are unconstitutional. Chicago's ban on having a handgun in the home is a recent example.

A law doesn't get appealed automatically. Therefore, there's no way to know if this one is unconstitutional or not. In my opinion, it isn't.

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JaxFull, do you have the self-awareness to realize that you're a racist?

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What race is Islam?

(If your poker understanding equals your debate skills, figger on being -EV for quite awhile.)

 
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bipbapboop
over 10 years ago

"A law doesn't get appealed automatically. Therefore, there's no way to know if this one is unconstitutional or not. In my opinion, it isn't."

Sorry to shatter your delusions, but your personal opinion doesn't matter. If the ruling hasn't yet been ruled unconstitutional, then it is constitutional. It's rather simple.

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"What race is Islam?"

Why is it that people with weak arguments always resort to semantics? I will rephrase in case you didn't understand my first question?

JaxFull, do you have the self-awareness to realize that you're a bigot and a xenophobe?

 
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JaxFull
over 10 years ago

@bipbapboop

Ever hear of Timothy McVeigh?

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Ever hear that he -- didn't -- blow himself up?

(When you finish that apple, try an orange -- very tasty.)

 
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bipbapboop
over 10 years ago

And your point?

McVeigh killed 168 people by detonating a bomb in Oklahoma, not unlike what happened at the World Trade Center in 1993. It is an example of how extremists can come from any religion. What does it matter if he offs himself in the process? The results are the same.

 
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JaxFull
over 10 years ago

@dsgnr4hire

is it then okay to say...not all christians are child molesters but 99.99% of child molesters are christians?

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It would be ok if that were the number. It isn't.

In fact, the number of Muslim child molesters probably exceeds those who are Christian. Muhammad married his last wife when she was six and consummated the marriage when she was nine. (See Ayesha)

Pedophilia is not prohibited per se by the Islamic sacred texts and child-bride marriage is common in the Middle East. (Also see Bacha Bazi)

I hope this has been instructive for you.

 
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bipbapboop
over 10 years ago

I'm done replying to your ignorant posts Jax.

Have fun living in your bubble of intolerance and prejudice.

 
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JaxFull
over 10 years ago

@bipbapboop

JaxFull, do you have the self-awareness to realize that you're a bigot and a xenophobe?

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You finally wrote something we can agree on.

I am a bigot and a xenophobe. I'm bigoted against, and xenophobic of, those who want to blow me up.

 
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JaxFull
over 10 years ago

@bipbapboop

And your point?

McVeigh killed 168 people by detonating a bomb in Oklahoma, not unlike what happened at the World Trade Center in 1993. It is an example of how extremists can come from any religion. What does it matter if he offs himself in the process? The results are the same.

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My point was about suicide bombers. You made the apples into oranges with your McVeigh comparison. But that's ok -- and expected.

Now, to make it fair, how about I name a hundred Muslim bombers and you name a hundred Christian bombers -- of any type. Then we'll do it again until one of us quits.

Can you do it once?

 
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JaxFull
over 10 years ago

@bipbapboop

I'm done replying to your ignorant posts Jax.

Have fun living in your bubble of intolerance and prejudice.

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Whomp, another lefty gets stacked!

(Suggest you find a game at lower limits. This one's above your skill level.)

 
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LeeW
over 10 years ago

They had quite a few christian bombers over there in the UK a while back.

 
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JaxFull
over 10 years ago

@LeeW

They had quite a few christian bombers over there in the UK a while back.

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Ok, I'll make you the same offer as I did to that numbnutz earlier. No, I'll make you a better offer. You name 10 of those "christian bombers" and I'll name 10 Muslim ones. Then we'll do it again until someone runs out of names.

Care to wager on who that'll be?

 
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JohnnyOnTheSpot
10 years ago

And I'll name 10 atheist bombers. Oh, wait ... I'm done.

 
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emetjr
10 years ago

How many Christian bombers blew thenselves up? hijacked planes and flew them into buildings? indoctrinated their youth and women to strap bombs to themselves?
How many "Moderate Muslims" publically condemn the extremists? How many "Moderate Muslims" were celebrating in the streets after 9/11? Don't you remember the news footage from the Middle East?
How many "Moderate Muslims" publically come out for the right of an Israeli state?
Lee let me get this straight a person who beleives in smaller government and fiscal respondsibility is a whack job? But someone who lives with a bunch of monkeys is normal?

 
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LeeW
10 years ago

I think religion has a good and bad side. It is good that it can comfort fearful people about the uncertainty of what happens after you die and also, to some extent, give people a moral compass.
Of course it is always abused to control and twist the masses to do foolish and sometimes terrible things.

 
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texasroadgambler
10 years ago

Religious dogma is the problem, not religion. Dogma in all religions has been used to exploit the ignorant. That has led to extremism that has plagued the world for centuries. Some things never change.

 
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emetjr
10 years ago

Too narrow to say Muslims attacked on us on 9/11 NO IT IS A FACT. It is far greater than relgion or politics they are attacking our way of life. Women have rights,children have rights,people have a right to disagree and capitalism is not evil and the basic respect for life. These are why we were attacked nothing to with religion. They attacked WALL STREET TWICE certainly not much religion there. If it was about religion why not attack the Vatican or any other religious symbol. They prey on people who have no hope they give them the hope of the hereafter. Extremists regardless of religion try to force their views on others regardless of the cost or consequences. If it was about religion those in power would be strapping bombs to themselves hmmmm they don't do that. Instead they preach hatred and life sucks but kill yourself and take others with you and be eternally happy.

 
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emetjr
10 years ago

Dogma is a belief held by any religion,ideology or any kind of organization it is authoritive not to be questioned or doubted or diverged from. Ergo with no religion there would still be dogmas. Nothing is plain and simple except maybe you strike.

 
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emetjr
10 years ago

I am far from a religious person but my problem with Muslim extremists is they KILL PEOPLE WHO DON"T AGREE WITH THEM. I also have a problem with CHRISTIANS WHO BOMB ABORTION CLINICS. Religion has nothing to do with it in the final analyisis. It's about people imposing their will on others at any cost.

 
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emetjr
10 years ago

I quote "if there was no religion there would be no dogma" read your own posts. Dogma would still exist without religion.

 
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texasroadgambler
10 years ago

strike, you are correct in that we must "take the good with the bad", but that is the ultimate essence of human beings.

So think about the majestic works that have been inspired by religious philosophies, then think about the dark deeds that have been done in the name of religion.

That is what we are as a species.

But many of us aspire to transcend the dark part of our past, and thus focus on spirituality instead of religious dogma.

What a bleak world it would be if all the mysteries were solved. We would be left with a great nothingness.

 
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JohnnyOnTheSpot
10 years ago

I halfway agree with your final point, but that also highlights the problem with religion. We have all of these mysteries right now that science hasn't figured out yet, but if you look at religion, it has an answer: "God did it." Boooorrrinnng (and also irrational, but that's another point).

Spirituality is one thing. I can't really knock it, although I don't get it, but I think it sounds like we agree about religion for the most part.

 
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texasroadgambler
10 years ago

strike, but "Murder She Wrote" is fiction, just like quite a bit of the Bible. And there is the parallel. You believe life is glorious when you watch an episode, while others on this planet believe that life is glorious because of the unsolved mysteries.

You and I can't change that. I believe that we are hard-wired to revel in stories. For examples think about fables, fairy tales, bed time stories told to children, ad invinitum.

Some of these find there way into some religious cannons, even though they may not be recognizable in their original telling.

Our hard-wiring has provided opportunity for the thieves of souls down through the millenia to subvert sublime messages of peace and justice that were taught by various philosophers for the thieves own selfish purposes of control. E.g. "give me your money, give me your wives, give me your souls, and ultimately give me your lives."

 
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texasroadgambler
10 years ago

strike, and I don't believe that "imgaginary people" are giving me orders.

There are many who do, but that is an issue for another day.

Have a nice evening.

 
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Sam Rothstein
10 years ago

Lee,

So many people agree that Juan shouldn't have been fired, so my question is why did you have to say you agree with Palin.

If you can't see that Sarah Palin is the biggest joke of a political canddiate of all time, then i'm done with you.

 
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LeeW
10 years ago

Sam,
You are new to my blogs.
It is because it is the only time I have ever agreed with her on anything even remotely controversial.
Untill Sharon Angle popped up I thought she was the worst... well you know what I am saying

 
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w1s3guy32
10 years ago

Ironic that you agree with Palin and I agree with George Soros lol!

He just came out in favor of legalizing the weed.

There's something maybe liberals and allot of conservatives (mostly libertarians like me) can agree on.

End prohibition. The failed war on drugs, modernized by my otherwise hero Ronald Reagan, is a failed, terribly costly campaign rooted in hypocrasy so deep, this simple post couldn't begin to scratch the surface.

Perhaps if more liberals understoood that individual choice including abortion (whom I disagree with Palin on) is in DIRECT CONFLICT with the liberal ideal of "collective-ism" they'd realize they are on the wrong team. I think allot of Obama suporters are waking up to this fact as we speak.

We are slowly being stripped of our indiviual rights and freedoms under this neo-socialist government (allot of pseudo-republicans included) where the individual is subordinate to the "collective". This keep government in control and the paychecks of career politicians assured.

Bob

 
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LeeW
10 years ago

I agree with all you say about legalizing weed. Obviously that should be a teaparty and liberal platform, but why not? Why do they want the government in womens choice?
I do think the right is stripping us of rights much faster than the left though.

 
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JaxFull
10 years ago

@striike

It is much too narrow of a statement to say the muslims attacked us on 9/11. RELIGION attacked the USA on 9/11.

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You are correct.

And that religion was Islam.

And the adherents of that religion are Muslims.

Hence, Muslims DID attack the USA on 9/11.

 
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JaxFull
10 years ago

@striike

as long as the people who follow religion understand that as long as they continue to allow religion to be part of any meaningful converstion, religious terrorism will exist.

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Of the world's major religions, other than Islam, can you name one that advocates "religious terrorism" (a la jihad)?

 
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JaxFull
10 years ago

@emetjr

Too narrow to say Muslims attacked on us on 9/11 NO IT IS A FACT. It is far greater than relgion or politics they are attacking our way of life. Women have rights,children have rights,people have a right to disagree and capitalism is not evil and the basic respect for life. These are why we were attacked nothing to with religion. They attacked WALL STREET TWICE certainly not much religion there. If it was about religion why not attack the Vatican or any other religious symbol.

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Islam does not wage war against other religions or against religious symbols per se. Islam wages war on ALL those who don't believe in Islam and who are unwilling to convert. We have 1400 years of undeniable history on this subject as well as Islam's own sacred writings.

The motivation for the two attacks in New York City to which you refer was Islam and Islam alone. The attacks were carried out by adherents of that despotic death cult and therefore it is unquestionably correct to say that Muslims did the deeds.

 
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JaxFull
10 years ago

@Sam Rothstein

If you can't see that Sarah Palin is the biggest joke of a political canddiate of all time, then i'm done with you.

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There's more inside her suit than in the one presently inhabiting the White House. Talk about a political joke (but an unfunny one, at that).

 
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emetjr
10 years ago

@JaxFull

I was saying Muslims did the deed. Islam is a religion Muslims are followers of that religion. A religion can not wage war only the followers can. If your aim is to convert or kill all those who do not follow Islam you are waging war against all other religions. However the motivation of Muslim extremists goes much deeper than religion. Muslim extremists are attacking our basic values and way of life using religion as an excuse. The religious revolution in Iran is a good example. Iran had a capitalist economy extremists siezed all business and government. Extremists called for the killing of all those business owners and goverment officials all of whom were Muslim. Islam is the religion of Sunni,Shiites,Kurds etc.. How do you explain the Sunni's in Iraq killing Kurds and Shiites if it's about religion?

 
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JaxFull
10 years ago

@emetjr

I was saying Muslims did the deed. Islam is a religion Muslims are followers of that religion. A religion can not wage war only the followers can.

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Maybe I'm not understanding your argument. I was relying on this statement as much as any of the others you made -- "These are why we were attacked nothing to with religion." To say 9/11 had nothing to do with religion is patently wrong.

Islam WAS THE PRIME motivator for the 9/11 crimes. The only reason 19 Muslims attacked, as you say, "our way of life" is because their sacred texts and religious leaders told them that was an appropriate thing to do. It's called jihad.

Your attempt to separate Muslims from their religion, if that's what you're doing, is cockeyed.

 
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JaxFull
10 years ago

@emetjr

How do you explain the Sunni's in Iraq killing Kurds and Shiites if it's about religion?

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Each of these Islamic sects believes the other two are apostate, hence, kuffar, just like you and me. Warring against apostates is just as much a part of Islamic jihad as is fighting unbelievers in general.

 
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emetjr
10 years ago

@JaxFull

Think you need to research what jihad is. In the Koran "the great jihad" is the internal struggle of man. The "little jihad" was the armed struggle version of a holy war. Furthermore jihad is not one of the five pillars of Islam although the Sunni's consider it a sixth. The Koran also never uses the word jihad for fighting,combat or an excuse to kill in the name of Allah. Again they are just using religion as an excuse just as any other criminal has an excuse.

 
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texasroadgambler
10 years ago

JaxFull:

You wrote: "Of the world's major religions, other than Islam, can you name one that advocates "religious terrorism" (a la jihad)?"

I can: Christianity, the one that you are most likely familiar with.
a la the Crusades. Or perhaps the murdering of millions of indigenous peoples in the sixteenth century in the Wester Hemisphere while marching under the flag of the cross?

Here's the other major religion of Abraham: Judaism. Would you say that when Menachem Begham (sp?) was a religious terrorist when he led the Irgun that blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in 1948? Did their religious text provide their rationale for this deed? After all, they claimed that they had title to Palestine by virtue of a religious text.

So Jax you see that mankind has a long history of killing each other while marching under the various banners of religion and each particular cannon.

 
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JohnnyOnTheSpot
10 years ago

Thank you. I didn't feel like listing out some obvious examples myself. Glad someone else did.

 
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JaxFull
10 years ago

@emetjr

You can believe anything you want about the subject but the fact that there is a "greater" jihad in no way invalidates the "lesser" (violent) jihad.

I'll accept the opinion of noted professor Bernard Lewis (courtesy Wikipedia) in this matter:

"Muslims use the word in a religious context to refer to three types of struggles: an internal struggle to maintain faith, the struggle to improve the Muslim society, or the struggle in a holy war. The prominent orientalist Bernard Lewis argues that in the Qur'an and the ahadith jihad implies warfare in the large majority of cases."

Notice that it takes more than just the Koran to understand Islamic thought. There are also the Sira and the Hadith which, collectively, make up the Sunnah. All of these texts are revered by Muslims.

The compulsion to violent jihad is believed by sufficient numbers of Muslims so as to account for more than 16,000 deadly attacks in the world just since 9/11.

It doesn't really matter what we believe about it. As long as Muslims embrace violent jihad our civilization and our lives are in danger.

 
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JaxFull
10 years ago

@texasroadgambler

Your oranges done collided with my apples.

Of the two religions that you named neither has as an article of faith the requirement to wage violent warfare against all unbelievers.

Christianity has never had such a requirement and although in ancient times the Jews were on occasion commanded by God to destroy opposing tribes and nations, it was never commanded to be done worldwide as it is by Islam.

With the possible exception of some miniscule cults, no religion other than Islam advocates "religious terrorism" in our day. Furthermore, whatever happened 500 years ago has little bearing on what the civilized world faces today.

(Yes, I said civilized world.)

 
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texasroadgambler
10 years ago

Jax:

"civilized world" you say in defending your tome? Does it surprise you to know that the definition of "civilized world" over the centuries has had a way of evolving from one culture to another?

It certainly should, since during the time of the Crusades the Christians were the barbarians and the Muslims were the definition of what you now refer to as the "civilized world".

Yes, they had advanced medicine, science, and mathmatics. Think of Algebra named after the Muslim who made those mathmatical determinations.

Think about the Muslims that invaded the Iberian peninsula in 700 and taught our Christian ancestors how to bathe. Not to mention that they established the great library at Cordoba.

 
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JaxFull
10 years ago

@texasroadgambler

Actually, Muslims got to the mathfest late:

"While the word algebra comes from the Arabic language (al-jabr, [ ] literally, restoration) and much of its methods from Arabic/Islamic mathematics, its roots can be traced to earlier traditions, most notably ancient Indian mathematics, which had a direct influence on Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi (c. 780–850)."

But, whatever.

It matters little who was on top, bottom or sideways 500 plus years ago. The chief concern should be Islam's agression against the civilized (there's that word again) world today.

 
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texasroadgambler
10 years ago

Jax:

Here's a friendly suggestion for you: Read "Guns, Germs, and Steel" by Jared Diamond.

Now, before you think that I am an apologist for the deeds done by radical Islamists, let me give you a glimpse of my position relative to the aftermath of 9/11.

If I had been President, I would have ordered nuclear weapons used on Tora Bora. I think that you agree that would have gotten the world's attention. Not to mention that Bin Laden would not be alive today.

 
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JaxFull
10 years ago

@texasroadgambler

I'll put your reading suggestion on the list. I just finished Doyle Brunson's autobiography, a great read, and started 1200 pages of Churchill-in-the-1930s biography. After that I have a book on the Holocaust that I need to tackle so it may be a while before I can consider the book you recommended. The title sounds intriguing so I'll probably invest some time in digging up a review or two to tide me over.

I agree with your desire to start a green glass factory at Tora Bora. Islam is much more docile when confronted by pure power than at any other time. Eventually it will need either to be reformed or be neutralized.

 
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surfbum4life
10 years ago

Lee - First off let me quote you here:

There is absolutely no danger of Sharia law here in the US, 0%.
There is however a danger of the christian equivalent comming through religous right and tea party, look at the wack jobs like Palin and her friends Angle and Odonnel running right now.

You contend that there is 0% danger of Sharia law in the United States. If you are willing I would like to send you several examples why this is flawed thinking and how it is in fact taking over parts of the every day life to which we have become accustomed. I have multiple examples of this as well as how the Muslim extremist positions have started to infiltrate our culture. If you would like these examples let me know, if not I will not shoot you off the email.

 
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