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DOYLISM OF THE DAY: “We can’t direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails.”

by Doyle Brunson |  Published: Aug 18, '09

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Since everyone is wondering who is going into the Poker Hall of Fame this year, I thought it would be interesting to have a Poker Hall of Shame. This would consist of poker players who abuse dealers, players, or both. The only other criteria to make the Hall would be you gotta be dead. We all know living players who deserve to be in, but we don’t want to make too many enemies.

Maybe this will inspire some of us living players to be ore courteous to the dealers and our fellow players. I know I could be a lot better even though I do try to keep control of my temper. I never saw Chip Reese lose control, nor have I seen Barry Greenstein be abusive to anyone. We should learn from them. The Poker Hall of Fame started with six inductees the first year so I’ll start with the same number. Perhaps more will be added later.

In no particular order:

  1. Puggy Pearson – a great poker player who vented his frustrations to both dealers and players. I once saw a lady Chinese dealer take a high heeled shoe and hit Pug repeatedly after he pushed her when he lost a pot.
  2. John “Doc” Holliday – “I’m your huckleberry”, words uttered by Doc Holliday in the movie Tombstone. There are written accounts Doc killed at least nine men, mostly at the poker table. I guess you could call that abusive!
  3. Nick “Shoeshine” Simpson – He was abusive on to the dealers. Nick was the head man in the cheating rings in the 60’s and 70’s. I once saw him urinate under the table on a dealer’s leg after a bad beat. Bill Boyd, former card room manager at the Golden Nugget once shot Nick in the butt after warning Nick not to cheat. I always admired Bill for that.
  4. “Nigger Nate” Lanette – Please, no racist comments about his name. That is what everybody called him before he died in the early 70’s. He bit a dealer’s ear off in the Stardust then returned the next day and gave the dealer $5,000. Nate was questioned in the shooting death of mobster Arnold Rothstein after an argument about a poker game.
  5. Stu Ungar – Stu “The Kid” Ungar was the most volatile person I’ve ever seen at a poker table. It was like some demon possessed person you see in horror movies. He would just erupt and use the most foul language you can imagine. I saw Stu spit on bad cards and throw them back to the dealer. Away from poker, he was a likeable person.
  6. Nick Vacchiano – “Nicky Vach”, everybody called this handsome player. He was a ladies man, everywhere except the poker table. He would try to get in the one or eight seat where he could talk in a low voice to the dealers, particularly women. I saw him make a young dealer at the Flamingo actually cry.

This blog is the result of having too much time on your hands. I remember writing something like this a year or so ago. I’m in Montana, it’s too cold to go on the lake and after 4 days, I’m ready to go back to Vegas and find some action :)

-DB

Doyle "Tex Dolly" Brunson is a 10-time WSOP bracelet winner, best-selling author, and is known worldwide as the father of modern poker. His list of poker accomplishments and awards are endless.

 
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keeentd
12 years ago

Don't forget all the internet cheaters like Bonomo and Mizzi. Soory to see ESPN give Bonomo so much coverage and talk about him like he's the future of poker. If he were that good, why did he need to cheat?

 
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TXMaxx
12 years ago

God I Love Doyle! Great Blogs!

@ richenough...LOL good start to your list! Does anyone here know your real name??? too funny

 
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screendoor
12 years ago

What about Tony G

 
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treidsmint
12 years ago

The Poker Hall of Shame will not be complete without a jerk they call "Monkey".

 
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MikeZello
12 years ago

How could you not mention Russ "super user" Hamilton

 
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texasroadgambler
12 years ago

You guys are hijacking Doyle's blog. He made it clear that his Hall of Fame only included deceased players.

Start you own blog if you want to identify living players that you think should receive censure for bad behavior.

 
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texasroadgambler
12 years ago

Sorry, Hall of Shame.

 
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thepokermonkey
12 years ago

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!
Someone nominated ME????
WOW! I'm reallly freakkkking famous now!!!!!!!
Hey Mom! I'm a JERK! I'm A JERK!!!!
At least TREIDSMINT says so!
SWWWWWEEEETTTTTT!!!!
Thanks for the shout out dude!
And thats....Will "TheMonkey" Souther.....

 
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thepokermonkey
12 years ago

BTW:
Just for the record. 35% of my current friends in real life and on Facebook are dealers. When I win or cash deep in tourneys, I tip them all on the side, so they get 100% of it. I also tip floor people. I do not EVER abuse dealers at the table. But who I DO abuse, and probably need to chill out on it...are complete ASSCLOWNS who have no business even SITTING at the table in the first place! You beat me with a top 10 hand after Ive raised preflop, hey! I will shake your hand. You beat me with some garbage like 47 offsuit...sorry, man....you're getting a Monkey Mouthful. Can't help it. That makes me a jerk? Cool.

Monkey

 
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treidsmint
12 years ago

You just seconded your own nomination Monkey!

 
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_irony_
12 years ago

i have an entry for after he dies

doyle brunson - attempts to use the poker boom to repair his image as the polite elder stateman of the game, while trying to brush away his admitted cheating and colluding back in the 70s

 
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RealKatja
12 years ago

_irony_ you are COMPLETLY right! Doyle often talks about his criminal friends and act like he never was involved. Thats sounds pretty ridiculous. Im sure sooner or later the truth comes out and the whole world gets to know what this man is all about...

 
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seamarfan269
12 years ago

WOW!! The "Best Damn Blog" this site has seen in awhile. Will (Monkey), you are finally getting some respect outside of Louisiana/Mississippi son! WTG! @_irony_, nice...finally it's being said!! I can't wait for Doyle's biography or autobiography (whichever is coming out soon) to see if any of that crappola is in there. Should do wonders for his "Godfather of Poker" moniker that's been bestowed upon him by ESPN, if it is. I was offered a free excursion to see Mr. Brunson/Mr. Caro speak in New Orleans this next weekend and turned it down. When my friend asked why i didn't want to see Doyle (cuz i'm such a huge pokerfan); and i'm like, "eh, whatever. No big deal." Much to my friend's shock and surprise. Nuff Said.

 
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SevenKidsPoppy
12 years ago

Doyle's Poker Hall of Shame reminds us why the public stayed away from it back in the day. Dolly lists the extreme cases of abuse, but there were other tricks, scams, and attitudes that kept poker buried. Slim's charisma (appearances on the Tonight Show, etc.) brought some interest to the game, but clueless casino officials' lack of vision in letting the regulars get away with this stuff chased new customers away and nipped any early Moneymaker effect in the bud. If casinos, both live and online, and ESPN choose catering to the pros above reaching out to the general public, then they're hastening the day when people will feel that they have no chance to succeed and will say, "To hell with poker," and spend their disposable funds in an activity where they feel they have a better chance to succeed and attain their dream. Once you betray the public's faith, you won't get it back.

 
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texasroadgambler
12 years ago

"...that kept poker buried"? How old are you? Poker has never been "buried" in the U.S.

All of you owe a debt to the pioneers, the "pros" that you are complaining about that brought poker to Vegas in the '60s. They planted the seed that was watered by the Binion's that has grown into the field of dreams that all of you are now harvesting.

The seven Texas Road Gamblers that did that were all colorful characters. That is one of the things that first attracted network television to the WSOP. Yes, that's right, all the major TV networks had televised it before ESPN existed.

They changed history for you. Say "Thank you."

 
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RealKatja
12 years ago

Are you serious? How can someone say "Thank you" to a man who has cheated on thousends of people and maked profit of that.

 
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texasroadgambler
12 years ago

RealKatja: What "man" are you writing about? Whoever you are writing about, what is your evidence that he "...cheated on thousends(sic)..."?

The only instance that I am aware of where thousands of players were cheated is the scandal involving two online poker sites. As far as I know, the only "pro" alleged to be involved in that was most certainly not one of the Texas Road Gamblers who brought the game to national attention.

What would you be doing now if not for the opportunity that the pioneers, who I have previously credited, provided for you? Think about that.

 
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SevenKidsPoppy
12 years ago

I watched Slim's first appearance on Carson, so unless you're in your 80s, I'm probably old enough to be your cousin, Tex, but what about poker from this point forward?

By "buried," I obviously meant "in a state of acceptance and popularity far, far less than where it is now." Everything is relative, Tex. I don't have an ungrateful bone in my body for the pioneers of poker, but let's call a spade a spade. Stuff went down back in the day (I never said that it was by the pioneers or the Binions) and it's still going down. My concern -- consistently expressed here -- is for the continued growth of poker, so don't lump me in with others by your lazy throwaway line "All of you..." Who are you talking to here anyway? Doyle named names, and he IS one of the pioneers. By the way, I would add income tax evasion to his Hall of Shame criteria. (Uh-oh...) "All of you" couldn't refer to the younger posters, who pretty much limited their comments to contemporary players.

It's hard to quantify the pioneers' contribution to poker's explosion in the current decade. Their historical value and presence was one factor of many, but do you think it was the primary reason that poker has exploded as it has? Except for occasional appearances by Slim and an annual mention at World Series time, poker got no significant yearlong media coverage nationwide. It was out of the consciousness of the general public except those who played; that's what I meant by "buried." Now, exposure to poker is unavoidable.

Harrah's, ESPN, Big Game players and other established pros with a voice, online sites, the poker media (CardPlayer, Two Plus Two, etc.), and newer players all have to decide on and commit to what is best for the game longterm and not cater to one special interest (including the established pros) or the other.

Don't kill the golden goose.

 
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texasroadgambler
12 years ago

SevenKidsPoppy: I am lumping you in with my statement that "All of you owe a debt to the pioneers..." "Who are you talking to here anyway", you say. I'm talking to the entire poker community that exists today.

You want to add "income tax evasion" to the Hall of Shame? Maybe you should review the history of tax policy at that time relative to gambling winnings and losses. Until Billy Baxter, a pioneer also but not one of the Texas Road Gamblers, won his landmark case against the I.R.S., gamblers were not allowed to deduct their losses from their winnings in their tax year. Does that sound like a legitimate reason for what you claim is "income tax evasion"?

You say that Doyle "named names". Names of players who behaved badly at the tables, and only one (who was not a top player) who he said was involved in cheating. BTW his real name was Simpsoni, not Simpson. I used to sell him $1,000 and $500 dollar denomination bills that I had won. Now you have a clue to my age, cousin, and perhaps more than that. Let's see what kind of analytical reasoning that you possess.

As far as "quantification" of the contributions that the pioneers made, it is not hard determine their "contribution to poker's explosion in the current decade."

They were the Johnny Appleseeds.

 
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seamarfan269
12 years ago

Hey you two, why don't you just get a tape measure? Nuff Said.

 
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Freedome
12 years ago

Sammy Farha should be on the list, he treats dealers like the are below him at all times.

Annie Duke is rude and "always" right, just ask her.

Grinder like's to think he's tough at the table, uttering words under his breath and acting like he's a real tough guy, intimidations don't work on the table.

 
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texasroadgambler
12 years ago

seamarfan269: Now is the time for you to look up the definition of "non sequitur".

You may be lost. This is not a "valley speak" blog. You know, the ones where they use the expressions such as "...and I'm like..." as you have.

 
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SevenKidsPoppy
12 years ago

Tex, I might have to upgrade you to "distinguished uncle" status.

I encourage everyone to research William E. Baxter, Jr. v. United States, keep accurate records, and pay their taxes.

The point of this blog, however, is to encourage everyone to be courteous and not abusive to dealers and other players. This will contribute to making poker mainstream, accepted, and legal in every venue; more will be needed, but this will help.

I agree that we should identify and honor the positive qualities and accomplishments of those Johnny Appleseeds, and I appreciate Doyle's method of illustrating those positive qualities by showing their opposite.

 
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texasroadgambler
12 years ago

SevenKidsPoppy: Well written, and directly on point. And another thing: Players that behave badly at the table are giving a loud clue that they can be easily put on "tilt". We feasted on that type of player. Stuey is Doyle's best example of that. Although a great tournament player, I can't remember ever playing with him in a high stakes NLH cash game when he won. One bad beat, and the volcanoe erupted. "Tilt". Stuey was tortured by inner demons that he somehow managed to control in tournament games.

"Uncle"

 
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seamarfan269
12 years ago

To "UNCLE": non sequitur = a reply that has no relevance to what preceded it. That is so cute that you two have kissed and made up. fer sure, dude!! Nuff Said. p.s. to RichEnough...although i'm no J. Gold fan by any means, your facts on the $12 MIL are slightly eskewed. His intentions were to always pay Leyser his half, but received some bad advice and then got rolled over by the snowball effect.

 
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keeentd
12 years ago

OK, I nominate texasroadgambler and sevenkidspoppy for the Internet Blog Hall of Shame. I'd say you both are as arrogant and self-centered as the players you're rippin.

Rule number one in blogging - make it about the subject matter, not about the blogger. Discuss amongst yourselves.

 
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seamarfan269
12 years ago

+1 @ keeentd and a hearty...LOL nuff said.

 
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texasroadgambler
12 years ago

keeentd: And how did you become the arbiter? Since this is Doyle's blog, he makes the rules.

But your post did attract a semi-literate fan----The Valley Speak Kid.

 
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SevenKidsPoppy
12 years ago

keee has a great sense of humor, I'll give him that. First he issues ad hominem characterizations and then he tells us to "make it about the subject matter, not about the blogger," thus breaking your own "rule."

If I want to discuss something with my "uncle" here, you're welcome to read along or cover what I write with a post-it note or a 3-by-5 file card.

 
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SevenKidsPoppy
12 years ago

"...his own..."

 
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seamarfan269
12 years ago

Oh my god, so like, everytime i write; old dude is gonna, like, comment on my "valley talk", i'm like, whatever dude. nuff said.

 
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zdr123
12 years ago

Doyle is piece of crap gambler, he wouldn't even back his own daughter in the main event last year, but he can gamble away tons of money on BS bets. He is shady as they come.

 
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texasroadgambler
12 years ago

I'm sure that Doyle did not intend for his blog to act as a "moron magnet". But just look at the unintended consequences of late.

 
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zdr123
12 years ago

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charlywayne
12 years ago

zdr123 I want you to be FULLY AWARE that you are treadn' on very thin ice with that comment you made. I am by no means putting a threat towards you. But you do have to realize to make such comment about Doyles daughter could cause some unwanted "karma" if you get my drift. It is very WRONG to put forth such a comment, it is one of distaste and of no respect whatsoever. If you for some reason don't like Doyle then that's your right, but do not put trash on here....by the way texasroadgambler I think I know who you are ....ever played at the brass rail in Longview, Tx? C-ya

 
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texasroadgambler
12 years ago

zdr123: I have a question for you. Did you stop at "3" in "123" in your screen name because that is as high as you learned to count?

In any event, thanks for making my point about the "moron magnet".

 
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zdr123
12 years ago

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texasroadgambler
12 years ago

zdr123: Did you ever consider enrolling in a course for anger management?

You write that you are a dealer. Do they drug test dealers where you work?

 
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zdr123
12 years ago

What I mean is that I hold Trump over you. You are nothing but scum as well. I am managing my anger right here on you.

 
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texasroadgambler
12 years ago

Maybe you're just lost. You "hold Trump"? You haven't noticed that this is a poker forum? Or perhaps you just don't know that trumps are not part of the game.

Or maybe that's just what happens when one's ability to reason is stunted by an inability to count past three.

 
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CardPlayerAdmin
12 years ago

zdr123, please read the terms: "Messages that harass, abuse or threaten other members; have obscene or otherwise objectionable content; have spam, commercial or advertising content or links may be removed and may result in the loss of your MyCardPlayer ID"

I deleted your most offending post, with the bigoted slur and the abusive profanity, but you're walking on thin ice. This is a public warning, and I will also e-mail you a warning. If you post abusive profanity (profanity directed toward another user) or ANYTHING racist or bigoted again, your entire MyCardPlayer account will be deleted, which will also delete your Poker Stats Tracker information, if you have any (I would export that data so that you don't lose it all if we delete your account).

 
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zdr123
12 years ago

I am sincerely sorry for the very rude and indecent posts that were posted here. I have no excuse in my actions, and I'm sorry for that. I promise that I'll never do anything like this again.

 
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