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DOYLEISM OF THE DAY: “A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory.”

by Doyle Brunson |  Published: Jun 17, '10

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After playing 5 events at the WSOP I still haven’t cashed. I played the worst poker of my life yesterday in the Omaha 8 or Better. I had little interest in the event and played like a rank beginning. At least I got down to the final 30 players in 3 of the 5 tournaments. I may take a few days off and try to figure out my lack of enthusiasm. It’s hard enough to win when you are focused so I’ve gotta turn things around.

I noticed a few men entered the ladies tournament. I think they should be barred from entering anymore events this year. I suppose the WSOP had to allow them to enter but what self respecting man would stoop to entering a ladies tournament?

Congrats to Phil Laak for breaking the existing Guinness record for playing longer than any recorded session. Phil played 115 hours with no drugs, not even caffeine. Not to take away from his remarkable achievement, when I was 25 years old I played 5 days and nights.  But I drank tons of coffee. I also saw two old time cowboy poker players Johnny Moss and Paul Harvey, play from Monday morning until Friday night. They slept Saturday and Sunday and came back the next Monday morning and played until the next Friday night. They also drank a lot of coffee so that makes Phil’s 115 hours a credible mark.

There has been a lot of ink about Annette Obrestad and me and our “feud”. Actually I believe now that Annette’s remark about cash game players vs. online players was taken out of context. That’s an old argument and will never be proven either way. My response was ill-advised and very inappropriate. I should know better after all these years of listening to poker talk.

I didn’t mean to offend anyone in my last blog about being an atheist. This is America and you can believe whatever you want. What I don’t understand is why most atheists, particularly the younger ones, get so angry when someone does profess their faith. I’ve listened and studied both sides and I can’t imagine believing there is not a higher power. As for Christianity, there was one compelling fact that convinced me. Almost all of the scholars believe the Jewish scribes kept accurate records. Those records say that all of Jesus’ disciples met violent deaths (except Paul). Every one of them died saying Jesus was God the Son. That’s pretty impressive. But don’t get mad at me because I believe and I won’t be mad at you if you don’t.

P.S. Elpokero, I admire your work and commend you for it. Did you know that my daughter Pam was the executive director for the largest retirement center in California?

-DB

Doyle "Tex Dolly" Brunson is a 10-time WSOP bracelet winner, best-selling author, and is known worldwide as the father of modern poker. His list of poker accomplishments and awards are endless.

 
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blindvalet
over 10 years ago

- "But don’t get mad at me because I believe and I won’t be mad at you if you don’t."

The world would be a better place if everyone lived by this.

 
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TheFly
over 10 years ago

Doyle,

I think it would be great if in all your blogs you left a paragraph for an anecdote or story from the wild west days of poker when in your youth. You touched on it here regarding very looooong sessions played. I just think it would be cool to have a poker anecdote about the "old days" in your blogs.

 
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Kind_Bud
over 10 years ago

I don't think LeeTheStryker will be posting this weekend, there is a ladies poker tournament at the Borgata this weekend, so if she can find a backer she will be busy.

p.s. religion is a business

 
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texasroadgambler
over 10 years ago

LeeTheStriker:

Nope, wrong again. The "white flash" at the Dunes was the work of "Shoeshine" Nick Simpsoni, a mob associate. He used it ON Doyle and Chip. Doug Dalton was clueless.

Now that we see that you have some knowledge of such things, suppose you tell us how the "white flash" worked.

 
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Hobilar1
over 10 years ago

I think LeeTheStriker might have struck a nerve...His comment was deleted..!! Something might is being pushed back under the carpet me thinks...:)

 
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mikeyb111
over 10 years ago

You show your bias against women by saying "what self-respecting man would stoop"

 
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texasroadgambler
over 10 years ago

Hobilar1:

A "nerve"? No, libel posted by the Striker. Mine is still there. Let the Striker respond to that if you think that there is a "carpet" job involved.

My post is "dead on" as to what happened there.

 
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M8L
over 10 years ago

I think the atheists have become very angry and even "evangelical" in this generation because their parents failed to lead them to God.
Consequently, they have been left out "in the dark" and they are bitter and jealous of the faithful people who have the peace and understanding of what the atheists are missing in life.

 
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rocksolid124
over 10 years ago

I would bet my entire life savings that zero of the disciples said Jesus was God the son. Seeing as no scripture known to man refers to Jesus as "God the son", I don't know how any Christian could possibly believe that either.

 
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Hobilar1
over 10 years ago

@M8L

Hahahaha....You dont have a clue. Left out in the cold to regards to what? If thats the case then the majority of the population of Europe must be "in the dark". 90% of the population of Scandinavia are now atheist, and are considered to be the most advanced societies in the world. You must be an American, because you sound like you come from the most religiosly dominated society in the world, which clouds the part of your brain which controls logic and reason and leads to you writing such nonsense. Let me ask you a question, Do you actually believe that the earth is 6000 years old?

 
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oldeschoolpkrr
over 10 years ago

Have you 2 guys even considered the fact that you both might be wrong? Have either of you read Von Daniekens 'Chariot of the Gods'? Basically the premise of that book, and many others written on the topic...is that all religions are actually based on facts...that the ancients actually saw something, and they INTEPRETED what they saw as 'God' or 'angels' or 'demons', etc. But what they saw actually could have been UFO's and ancient visitors from other planets. Have any of you caught the 'ancient astronauts' series on the discovery channel? You can see it on Youtube anytime. Very interesting! I am not saying it is what happened...but it makes as much sense as believing everything as the Religionists do, or believing nothing as the atheitists do. What do you really think Ezekiel saw that he described as a 'wheel in the middle of a wheel'? Or what did the bible writers see when they saw 'great balls of fire'? Or see people 'rise up into the clouds'? Or the fact that ALL religions teach that their particular saviour or messiah or whatever they call him will 'one day return'? These people saw something..wrote about it...and interpreted it as 'God'. How else would they explain what they saw?

 
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oldeschoolpkrr
over 10 years ago

Don't forget there ar many many people today who see UFO's...some very prominent ones at that (Jimmy Carter for one...and in the 1990's-the Gov of AZ). Imagine vey ancient ignorant people oon the earth...thousands of years ago...seeing a UFO...how do you think they would interpret that? During WW2...airplanes would drop food over starving primitive people in New Guinea...it wans't too long after that that visitors who went there noticed those people had constructed a life sized replica of an airplane, and were worshipping it? And were telling stories about the 'gods' who dropped food! I am saying maybe we shouldn't just automatically accept everything that religions tell us, nor should athieists automatically reject everything because it comes from religion. What we should do is open our minds and think about WHY did these ancient people believe and write the things as they did. Was Mary's 'angel' that visited her and impregnated her 'immaculately' an alien abduction? Sounds eerily like abduction stories you read today...except in that day they explained it as an 'angel', etc. Don't laugh at all this....I respect all religions and I respect atheists also. What I absolutely hate is EXTREMISTS from any side....those who won't listen to consider others opinions. Somewhat like the liberals who call names when they lose an argument....

 
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Hobilar1
over 10 years ago

@Oldeschoolpkrr

That makes way more sense than the traditional religious doctrine which says that there is an omnipotent celestial who created everything in 6 days and who directs everything from his cloud in the sky. I dont believe in the traditional idea of of heaven and hell. However I do think that there is other life forms in our galaxy and loads of other life forms in the universe. Maybe these life forms have learned how to master inter-stellar travel, maybe by managing to manipulate black holes or learning how to exploit anti-matter. It all seems highly plausible, but Im afraid our simple understanding of these which has lasted for millenia in the form of religions are no-where near the truth. Again this is all superficial and highly unlikely, but I must admit it is way more believable than the actual writings of some bronze age shepherds.

 
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oldeschoolpkrr
over 10 years ago

And by the way Doyle...Paul was beheaded in Rome around 70 AD...he meet a very violent death.

 
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texasroadgambler
over 10 years ago

LeeTheStriker:

Perhaps you should look up the definition of "defamation" in Black's Law Dictionary.

In the U.S., if CP or Doyle filed an action against you for defamation, the burden of proof of your allegations is on you.

Hearsay, such as you have produced on this blog, is not admissable. Before you get into affidavits from the F.B.I., everyone here should know that if there were any, they are not available to you.

But Lee, since you have adopted the nom de guerre of an excellent attorney, I would expect you to have some knowledge of the law. So far, you have not demonstrated that you know a whit about juris prudence and the rules of procedure.

Now on to the subject of "wolfing" in the 70s and 80s by various entities that you rather vaguely identify. Yes, there were some, but Doyle and Chip were targets, not conspirators.

As for Jimmy Shahady, Doyle couldn't pick him out of a lineup of NBA centers.

 
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M8L
over 10 years ago

Rocksolid124,

I think your life savings are in Jeopardy.
I would refer you to Peter, James and John. They were eyewitnesses and wrote down what they saw.

 
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elpokero
over 10 years ago

Hi Doyle,

I wish you best regarding your health
but I cannot wish you the same as far as your affiliation and promotion of doylesroom.

I believe that at least 5% people that ever sign up for an online poker site
eventually regret that decision and their lifes and lifes of their families(kids) get negatively affected.
I know it is not your problem but at the end - it is a problem.
Poker is not chess.
Poker without money is not the same
and with money you as any other gambler can agree that it can become hell.

PS: Thanks for commendation.
My grandma loves to watch you on TV and adores you but she does not understands how much harm can gambling cause.

I did not know about your daughter Pam.
Kids and elderly are the best. (most honest and have the best hearts)

 
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coldharbor
over 10 years ago

Doyle, there are centuries of misinformation and legends that have been passed down through the centuries about Jesus and the fates of his disciples. In fact,the records of the apostle's deaths were not kept by Jewish scribes. The main sources we have for how most of them died were compiled by two early Church leaders, Hippolytus and Eusebius, who lived in the 3rd and 4th century AD, long after the original apostles would have died.

A Christian website about the sources:
http://www.ichthus.info/Disciples/intro.html

It was so easy for legends to get started and grow in the ancient world. Very few, if any, people could actually check the facts when claims were made many years later.

A critical analysis of the deaths of the apostles:
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/apostles.html

I agree that people should be free to believe whatever they want, but they should use critical thinking and seriously consider all the evidence before jumping to conclusions. Almost every religion claims martyrs for their faith as part of the evidence for its veracity.

 
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reverendwright
over 10 years ago

Doyle,not one person who wrote about Jesus knew him.Not one.All the people who wrote about Jesus in the new testament were people who NEVER EVER met Jesus.There were alot of people at the time of Jesus who were doing the same things as he was.

 
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texasroadgambler
over 10 years ago

As for reading and writing during Biblical times, the Roman Catholic Church, the "mothership" of Christianity, forbade their parishoners from reading the scriptures. Not that many could have, since the Bible of the Roman Catholic Church was written in Latin.

Now why do you suppose that prohibition existed?

Of course, the Gutenberg press and the Reformation destroyed that for the Roman Catholic Church.

Not to mention King Charles, who had the Bible translated into English for the first time in 1525.

 
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M8L
over 10 years ago

Texasroadgambler,

You seem to have little comprehension of the timeline of "Biblical times" (your phrase) and you are shooting blanks with your complete misunderstanding of the Catholic Church, its history and teaching as well as some of your other blather.
The first Gospels were written in Greek less than a hundred years after Jesus.
The first Latin translations did not begin to appear until about the end of the fourth century under the commission by Pope Damasus.
And where on earth did you get this blather about the early Church forbidding parishioners to read the Gospel?
And by what stretch of the imagination can you link this jabberwocky to The Gutenburg Bible (ca 1450) and The Protestant Reformation from 1517 (Luther's "The Ninety-Five Theses") to 1648 (The Treaty of Westphalia)?
Stick to poker, pal. Maybe you know something about that.

 
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oldeschoolpkrr
over 10 years ago

speaking of the catholics...did any of you religious types read about the vatican's proclamation (they are great at proclaiming) in 2008 that aliens from other worlds really might exist...but that that shouldn't stop us from believing in god. look it up...google it if you don't believe me. do you thinkthey know something the rest of us don't? why all of a sudden this big proclamation?

 
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oldeschoolpkrr
over 10 years ago

jesus really existed, and he really did all that is written about him. and he really did rise from the dead. and he absolutely will return...in the sky just like the bible says. and all that is because;

jesus was an alien......

 
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oldeschoolpkrr
over 10 years ago

and before someone makes a big joke about it...I will say...not a mexican alien

 
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texasroadgambler
over 10 years ago

M8L:

Let's see who has "little comprehension", as you write. You or me?

We'll deal with the issues one at a time:

Nowhere did I write that the orginal versions of the Gospel were written in Latin, not Greek. Little did that matter, since none of the Gospels were incorporated at that time into the anthology we now know as the New Testatment.

The thousands of scrolls, including the Gospels, were not incorporated into the Bible as we now know it until 325 A.D. by vote of the bishops attending the Council of Nycae(sp.?). Both the Greek Orthodox and Roman churches were represented.

 
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texasroadgambler
over 10 years ago

M8L:

Now to the issue as to who is "blathering", as you wrote, me or you:

"Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; unless anyone from motive of devotion should wish to have the Psalter or the Breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed Virgin; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books." Inquisition 1229 A.D.

Looks like you may be the "blatherer".

 
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texasroadgambler
over 10 years ago

M8L:

Now on to the issue of the Gutenberg press:

The Gutenberg press, as I wrote, not the Gutenberg Bible as your leap to conclusion led you, was one of the most significant events in history. Before the Gutenberg press, there had been no means to massproduce writings. That press changed history.

And yes, the Bible was one of those documents that then came into the hands of the many, instead of being restricted to the hands of the priest class who had handwritten copies on parchment.

All of you reading this can take it from here.

 
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texasroadgambler
over 10 years ago

M8L:

Now to the issue of the Protestant Reformation:

The first question to ask yourself is why there ever was a Protestant Reformation.

Short answer: Martin Luther was a Catholic priest who did not believe that Christians needed an intermediary (Priests of the Catholic Church) between them and God. Thus the Protestant Reformation started by him.

The above is not my personal opinion;it is history. Anyone needing cites for this information can easily find it on various search engines.

So M8L, Learned Professor of Theology, any more questions.

 
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texasroadgambler
over 10 years ago

M8L:

I notice that you neglected to mention the role King Henry VIII and his daughter Mary had on the construction of the Bible as we know it today.

It is rather bloody, but it is historical.

The point is that whatever messages were origanlly in the texts found in any "original" Bible in whatever language they were written, have been modified by men over the centuries.

As I recall, Martin Luther rejected some of the Old Testatment books.

And in the English speaking world, Henry set that in motion by allowing an English translation. This didn't work out too well for the translator who was inexplicably executed.

 
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M8L
over 10 years ago

Your words..."since the Bible of the Roman Catholic Church was written in Latin."
The "Canon 14" you refer to is not a Vatican document. It is from the Spanish Inquisition.
Where did you get this "thousands of scrolls" concept?
Your summary of Luther and The Protestant Reformation is a little "brief."

Most of your blather would qualify for an new edition of Classic Comics.

 
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texasroadgambler
over 10 years ago

M8L:

Perhaps you will be more comfortable with the brevity of my posting about Martin Luther and the Prostestant Reformation if I add the fact that Martin Luther believed it ungodly for Pope Leo X to sell "letters of indulgence" forgiving people of their sins.

How's that? More satisfied? Oh, and he nailed his objections to the church door. (I've forgotten where.) But you can look it up.

As for the "thousands of scrolls", I refer you to the history of canonization of the Bible. Include the scrolls of the Gnostics and the Esscenes. Now skip forward (Another brevity I'm sure you'll take issue with.) to the reign of Emperor Constantine (Byzantine). His bishop of Alexandria compiled a list of the books that he insisted be canonized. This was sometime after the Council of Nicae (sp.?). It was then indeed approved under the Roman emperor Damascus sometime later.

 
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texasroadgambler
over 10 years ago

LeeTheStriker:

The Mirage? Did I miss something, or did you neglect to assert that Doyle or Chip had the card room at the Mirage? What's their connection?

Since you seem to know about this, perhaps you can provide us with the details about how this alleged scam went down.

Lee it does seem that you have or profess to have an inordinate amount of knowledge about "wolfing" activities. How do you come to be so knowledgable about these things. It seems to me that by their very nature and purpose they are supposed to be undetecable. How is it they came to be detected by you?

 
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JaxFull
over 10 years ago

reverendwright - Doyle,not one person who wrote about Jesus knew him.Not one.All the people who wrote about Jesus in the new testament were people who NEVER EVER met Jesus.

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M8L answered your erroneous comment before you even made it.

"M8L
19 hours ago

Rocksolid124,

I think your life savings are in Jeopardy.
I would refer you to Peter, James and John. They were eyewitnesses and wrote down what they saw."

Now go on with your AmeriKKK sermon for this Sunday.

 
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texasroadgambler
over 10 years ago

"undetectable"

 
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texasroadgambler
over 10 years ago

JaxFull:

Historically incorrect. It is universally accepted that the Gospels were written between 70 and 100 CE.

You should know the authors. None of them are Peter or James. John could not have been the apostle John, since the Gospel of John was the last authored around 100 CE. The apostle John would have been long since dead.

 
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JaxFull
over 10 years ago

@texasroadgambler

Interesting point of view. It is believed that John stuck around until the year 98AD or 100AD whereupon he died a natural death on the island of Patmos. Therefore he could have written the books to which his name was attached.

As to the others, it is the classic confrontation of history versus faith. I guess we'll just have to wait until the original manuscripts show up and then we'll know. That is, unless you believe that ancient history is flawless.

 
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texasroadgambler
over 10 years ago

JaxFull:

I don't think that John of Patmos was the apostle John. John of Patmos is generally credited with being the author of Revelations.

This was written during the Romans' bloody suppression of the Jews in Jerusalem about 79 CE as I recall. Anyway, that's close enough historically. Revelations is so contradictory to the teachings of Jesus,that I doubt if any person of faith could reasonably believe that Jesus would return and slaughter millions. So, as an attempt to explain Revelations, I believe that you will find that most biblical scholars consider Revelations as "coded" messages of support from John to the Jews in Jerusalem.

And I do not believe that history is flawless, with some few exceptions. I think that history is in large part written by the survivors.

 
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oldeschoolpkrr
over 10 years ago

interesting discussion of religious history. an even more interesting discussion would be what the people actually saw in the book of revelation, and in the other prophetic books in both the old and new covenants. also the other religions...what the founders of those saw and how they interpreted what they saw. otherwise you are just talking about the writings and movements and history of men and woman based on what OTHERS saw years before. the catholic church is a direct decendant of the Roman Empire...and example being that Christmas is based not on the birth of Christ (actually in April)...but instead based on the roman pagan feast of saturnalia. interesting yes...but what really did abraham see, when he wrote of 2 'angels' who visited him in his tent...or when peter was taken up on a mountain with christ and saw 'heavenly beings' talking with him...or when they saw christ after he rose from the dead...(anyone catch the movie E.T?). too bad most men can't get past tradition and fear in their thinking when it comes to religion. I guess some aren't as liberal and radical as they think they are....

 
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TheSal
over 10 years ago

I'm an athiest, or "non-theist" as you may prefer. I'm just not superstitious, by the literal meaning of that word, as in "I don't perceive the existence of the supernatural." I adopted Buddhism (of the non-mystical, Zen/Taoist variety) as a philosophy and that is a non-theistic religion, you could say. I named my son Siddhartha for this reason. I like Buddhism because it's non-theistic, doesn't require belief in the supernatural, and it's not a proselytizing religion.
I'm a trained scientist, and in my experience most scientists (not all, certainly) are athiests, non-theistic, or agnostic. Especially in my field of Geology - but of course those are the folks I've known the best :-) Maybe scientists don't have this Oxytocin thing roadgambler was talking about! haha
I'm a moral person and I don't harm others, I don't lie, cheat, steal, assault or murder people or harm their property. I'm not a psychopath or sociopath as far as I know, but then - would I really know if I was one? hahahahahaha :-)
I don't take what a guy like Doyle, or perhaps texasroadgambler or similar guys say too seriously when it comes to some of these things, because they are of a particular place and time and style of education, and so am I. There's no sense having a fight over it, that's for sure.
I remember seeing Doyle once deride evolution on High Stakes Poker, I believe he was talking to Bill Chen. I remember thinking, if I were in that situation with a guy like Doyle I would just decline to talk about it. My undergraduate specialty was paleontology, I've studied, used, and thought about evolutionary theory for 30 years, and I just know too much about it to really have much of a lightweight conversation about it. I would have too much respect for an older person to contradict their position in front of other people. If a guy like that wanted to really get an understanding of it and I thought he or she would listen and learn, I would speak to them in private about it. Not to change anyone's mind but just to teach. Perhaps it would deepen their understanding of exactly what they are opposed to and improve their arguments against it.
Not saying evolution and belief in God are mutually exclusive, they're not and I know many geologists (though not a majority, as I said) who hold to both.
Really I'm just saying that there are real, actual, true-blue non-believers in the supernatural out there who aren't psycho or whatever else an older generation of Texas-raised Christians might have thought about it. I'm one and I know a LOT of others.

 
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TheSal
over 10 years ago

Also, as to the issue some have with anonymous postings, I got an account on here through CP's new social networking tie-in, through my facebook account. I have all my real name and data and etc., on FB. So I expect users that came from FB are not anonymous on here. Maybe this will solve some of the problems you guys have with anonymous posters.

 
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texasroadgambler
over 10 years ago

TheSal:

You are a scientist, yet you laugh at the science of neurobiology that studies the brain and how the production of certain chemistries produce effects upon humans?

Since you proclaim youself to be neither psychopath nor sociopath, your brain does produce oxytocin.

Are you telling us here that you never experience any empathic emotion? Since you are a scientist, I don't need to explain this to you. I'd bet a thousand to a hole in a donut that you have experienced many of them.

If you deny that, then how can you criticize anyone who doesn't believe in evolution?

On to that subject. I too am a scientist, and I am certain that evolution is an ongoing process. Preaching to the choir, I am quite familiar with the decay processes used to identify the ages of both organic and inorganic material--C 14 and U 238.

Now, to the metaphysical question of the day. Do you believe that there are things unknown in this world? I do, and to me that is comforting. Who begins to read a book by reading its last chapter first?

 
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texasroadgambler
over 10 years ago

TheSal:

Back to subjects religious and spiritual, the way that you live your life as described by you above is the Ethic of Reciprocity taught by Jesus, otherwise known to Christians as the Golden Rule.

To head off a debate about "supernatural", let me say that I don't believe that the Bible is the literal word of God.

But there is no denying the sublime message of Jesus.

Neither did Jesus believe that belief is defined solely by faith. The belief in "supernatural" things as I think that you would describe it.

Read James 2: 17-20 This essentially reconciles faith with the deeds that are essential elements of faith. You won't find anything "supernatural" there, with the small exception of the mention of "demons" once. You may choose to interpret that word as supernatural, but I think it is used as a metaphor.

Those deeds of faith that Jesus practiced are the very same deeds that you write that you practice. So, are your beliefs really so disparate from those Christians and others in regard to the real substance of Christianity?

A historical note for you: I was a Baptist until the age of 12. I asked the preacher if even Hitler could be saved if he declared on his death bed that he believed in Jesus. The preacher told me that he would be. That ended my relationship with the Baptist Church.

 
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TheSal
over 10 years ago

@texasroadgambler - Whoa, whoa there big fella !

"You are a scientist, yet you laugh at the science of neurobiology that studies the brain and how the production of certain chemistries produce effects upon humans?" and etc.,

No, not at all, I was merely trying to be lighthearted and do a little self-parody of myself and other scientists! I don't know anything about this Oxytocin. I was just funnin' that's all, offense was not intended. I seriously have no idea about it - guess I'll have to read up on it now, huh?

No, my beliefs as to how to treat others aren't much different from some of the preachings of Jesus. I just don't go for the magical stuff, or the living after you die thing. I wouldn't want to live for billions of years, I'm very happy and satisfied with my 3 score and ten (thought you'd like that reference - though maybe it's moved to 4 score and ten now!) personally, but that's just me. I'm really not here to argue all this but just to say that not all atheists are psychopaths.

"Now, to the metaphysical question of the day. Do you believe that there are things unknown in this world? I do, and to me that is comforting. Who begins to read a book by reading its last chapter first?"

You seem like you enjoy discussing these things, so OK, I'll bite.

I'm pretty well convinced that homo sapiens has little idea as to what is really going on. We can't even get relativity and quantum mechanics to agree, so basically at this point we don't actually have even a unified theory of physics. That doesn't sound very advanced when you think about it! hahahaha :-)

Regarding things that are unknown, I've been reading up on this lately, which only shows that we don't really know what is going on:

http://www.physorg.com/news137937526.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/3349494/Einsteins-spooky-action-acts-at-10000-times-the-speed-of-light.html

http://www.cebaf.gov/news/internet/1997/spooky.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090304091231.htm

There's plenty more reading about this out there, but isn't it fantastic? And don't the experiments show how much we don't know??

My email address is chris@cst.net texasroadgambler if you ever want to discuss science for fun without putting "quarks" where "hitting a set on the flop" should be hahahahahaha :-)

 
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texasroadgambler
over 10 years ago

TheSal:

Thanks for the clarification. Now, I take no offense and can laugh at your self-parody and take your comments seriously.

I recently listened to a lecture given by Dr.Paul Zak dealing with the subject of oxytocin, "the moral molecule". Google him. He is a most interesting fellow and perhaps the best lecturer I have heard in quite some time. It is certain that you produce oxytocin since you the follow the Ethic of Reciprocity.

As for the "living after you die thing", my Christian beliefs diverge dramatically from most mainstream Christians. I don't believe that the dead shall rise again. I believe that those who die physically while living a Christian life (Not exclusive provence of Christians) have left the message behind which does not die. In essence, those souls have resurrected themselves by their beliefs and their deeds and are "paying it forward". Easy now, don't get offended by the word "souls". You have one, or you couldn't act morally as you do.

And yes, homo sapiens have struggled over the millenia since our first hesitant steps out of the trees and onto the veldt to understand our place in the universe.

We are getting better at it, but I doubt if we will ever solve the mystery of the singularity, the beginning of the "Big Bang".

 
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oldeschoolpkrr
over 10 years ago

Never mind dicussing souls and quantum physics and quarks...here is a question for you..

Why have we not discovered the 'missing link'?

Because there is no 'missing link'.

Because man was created in his present form by visitors from other
worlds who saw the apes and messed with their dna's so that man would develop.

Tell me that that makes less sense than the garden of eden story...or 'evolution' with no missing link.....

 
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TheSal
over 10 years ago

I've never understood what a missing link exactly is or why one would be needed. Transitional fossils I ...

Wait, OK wait a minute, now I'm violating my own statements above. It's difficult for me to discuss these things with non-geologists. Why don't you email me oldeschoolpkrr chris@cst.net and if you actually have serious questions other than "aliens did it" then I'm happy to help you see how paleontologists view this.

 
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oldeschoolpkrr
over 10 years ago

Hello, thesal. I would not feel comfortable emailing you outside of cardplayer. I am well known here in my area, (for business reasons), and my gambling life is something I want to keep separate. The missing link is the 'animal' that connects the apes we supposedly evolved from, with modern man as we are today (and have been for the last 40-80 thousand years). They have found fossil evidence for a slew of ape like creatures, and can trace modern man back to when we supposedly came of the rift valley in africa, and ran headlong into the neaderthals. But where is the 'animal' just before that? If you read my previous emails above...I have repeated questions that have been reaised in various trains of thought about religion, science, etc. If you take evolution, the biblical (and other religious book) story, and line them up next to theories that otherworldly visitors (maybe what bronze age people called 'God') meddled with our dna...if you compare the proof existing for all 3 theories...the alien visitation one is just as valid as the other 2. Much harder to swallow, granted. Same thing with how religion and theism....what did those ancient people actually see? Why are all religions so similar? What really happened...?

 
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Wolfed
over 10 years ago

The simple facts are that the books in the bible were decided upon among several "books", during a time when they thought the world was flat.....Several texts were left out, at the discretion of the people who made the decision. The original texts were constantly being copied (Guetenberg wasn't born yet), and the evidence consistenly shows that copies were different then the version copied from.
Prior to understanding the fossil record, religious entities took the texts "word for word". The world is flat, the earth is the center of the universe, 6 days to create the "heavens and the earth, etc, etc.
As technology evolves and science expands our knowledge of our universe, this religious non-sense based upon old jewish fairy tales is shown to be more of what it is: fairy tales.
We now know that there are other planets, rotating around suns in their hospitable zones. What will religion do when life is discovered on Titan, or some other planet? And now guess what? Looks like there's a little Neaderthal in all of us......

The only retort that religious fanatics have to science is "well, then what created the 'big bang?'". If you're only real defense of a position is that tact, exactly why do you believe this nonsense? And exactly how did Adam and Eve's son find other people, when Adam and Eve were the only people God created?
Religion has been nothing but a way to try to make sense of the world based upon fairy tales, based opon no science, and a way to control the masses....

How the hell anyone believes that crap....

 
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texasroadgambler
over 10 years ago

Wolfed:

I hope that you do not include me in the group you refer to as "religious fanatics", since I believe that I may be the only poster here who has mentioned the "Big Bang". I think that my postings are clear in that I am not a "religious fanatic" even though I believe in the teachings of Jesus.

I also believe that religion/spirituality and science are not mutually exclusive.

Just a suggestion, but think about trying not to be so angry about other people believing things that are obviously false.

Maybe a thought about the "Serenity Prayer"? Quite a bit of wisdom in such a brief prayer.

 
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drucifer
over 10 years ago

I personally don't care if someone is religious or not. It doesn't effect me in the slightest. But I think the reason atheist like to argue against christians is because religion doesn't make logical sense to them. If you tell me that grass is blue I will try to convince you it's green.

 
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TheSal
over 10 years ago

@oldeschoolpkrr - I figured you were thinking something along those lines but it's just showing a fundamental misunderstanding of the whole theory to think that way. This isn't the right place to give classes on this, and I understand if you don't want to email me, although I deal with confidential information all the time.
The idea that the theory of evolution is on a par with a hypothesis about aliens altering our DNA also shows a fundamental misunderstanding about not only evolution but about what science is in general and how it progresses.
And I'm not saying that in any kind of mean way, I misunderstand things all the time, I'm just identifying it for what it is.
Let me just say one thing: If someone could come along and disprove evolution now, which they easily could (i.e., evolution has never been disproven or falsified, although it easily could be) and present their research to the world, that person would be hailed as one of the greatest scientists who ever lived. Unbelievable amounts of fame and fortune would follow such work. Such a person would go down in history alongside Newton and Einstein and Hutton, and even Archimedes and Lao Tzu as one of history's greatest thinkers.
Well now we see why, in general, I avoid discussing such things with the lay person, as do most geologists and paleontologists. It's a long way to get an intelligent and well meaning person up to speed, up to the level where they can intelligently discuss the topic of evolution to begin with.
I'm sure you have expertise that I don't have as well; I just happen to have devoted a lot of my life to this particular thing, that's all. I guess I'll have to shut down my part of this, it's just not the time and place to hold lectures here on Doyle's blog.

 
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oldeschoolpkrr
over 10 years ago

The sal...thank you for the kind response. Unlike some others here that I have verbally tangled with...you did not insult me, try to degrade me, or disrespect me or my views. Thank you for that. I am at a point in my life where I am questioning everything...because I have lived long enough to not be afraid anymore to find the truth, or to ask questions that others might consider kooky. For instance...there is some pretty good evidence that the sphinx actually is much much older than thought...not 4-5 thousand...but more like 10-12 thousand yrs old. Also the nazca monuments in south america...that can only be seen from the air...from aircraft...are at least 3000 yrs old. How do you explain this? Predates all the religions we have today. How were the pyramids built...when we couldn't built one today even with our modern machinery...just like they built thousands of yrs ago...as you stated in 1 of your previous emails...there is much to discover. I just think religion has gotten in the way to really opening our minds up. I guess religion works well because it is totally based on fear...

 
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TheSal
over 10 years ago

You'll like this oldeschoolpkrr:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voY8jNcuGe8

and this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/10367930.stm

 
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danmac78
over 10 years ago

If the ten commandments really were written on stone tablets then where are they? Are you telling me that Moses and his people just left them on the side of the road? It was the direct word of god supposedly. Wouldn't they have been cared for in the best tradition and handed down from one caretaker to the next, generation after generation. Of course it is possible they were destroyed somewhere along they way but we would have known about that. That is just one of thousands of glaring "problems" with christian religion.

If you rely on your own intelligence and reasoning and not what people tell you to think and believe you can see through the smoke and mirrors that the people in power (of religious doctrine) want you to believe.

I am of the opinion that the majority of people say they "believe" but only because they think that is what society wants and sometimes demands of them. Could you ever imagine a President saying he didn't beleive in god? He would never get elected in the first place. I feel so much better (sarcasm!) knowing that our leaders beleive in a better life after our death. That way when they send people to war they don't have to worry when they die because "they are in a much better place".

 
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CardPlayerAdmin
over 10 years ago

NOTE: User LeeTheStrikerChagra -- and all corresponding posts -- was deleted at that user’s request.

 
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JohnnyOnTheSpot
over 10 years ago

Super +1s to danmac78, Wolfed, TheSal.

 
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oldeschoolpkrr
over 10 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFaDk0Lxg2k

to: thesal, and any others who might want to actually think about the origins of religion in this world...please look at this link above....

I would be very interested to hear opinions of it from any of you!

 
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Wolfed
over 10 years ago

texasroadgambler:

I am certainly not angry about whatever nonsense other people want to believe in (assuming that it doesn't entail something harmful to people other then themselves). I'm strongly opinionated about religion, and perhapps you've misconstrued that for something else.

I have great respect for the thoughtful and intellegent comments you've made here on CardPlayer, so please, don't be condescending (serenity prayer...).

Your comment "even though I believe in the teachings of Jesus" begs the question: "how do you know that what you are reading regarding the "teachings of Jesus", is actually what Jesus taught, said believed, or practiced?". The fact is you don't. Personally, I like what the bible attributes to him. If you live your life in accordance to those principals, then, frankly, I look up to you. I believe that it is a great way to live a life. But, simply put, the only way that you can attribute what is written in the bible regarding Jesus' comments is what Jesus said, is to have "faith" that it is such. But we know with certainty that what was originally written is not what is read today. The rest of the stuff (walking on water, rising from the dead, son of god, etc) is simply the stuff of fairy tales.

The problems come when people believe that their version of interpretation is the "right" or only version (see crusades, 9/11, etc.). I believe anyone has the right to believe it, regardless of how rediculous that is.....

 
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