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Better Late Than Never? We'll See

by Roy Winston |  Published: Oct 23, '09

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I took off this week and decided not to play the WPT event at Bellagio. Of course now that it’s going on I wish I was there playing. I have been talking with a bunch of friends who are playing and periodically reading the updates and have a few observations. I think allowing players to register late for events is the usual and customary at the Bellagio and this time allowing players to register the second day until 5pm is a little out there but I applaud Jack in trying something new.

What I think would be even better and they have done at Aussie Millions and Borgata, where there are two first start days and you can buy in on the second day after being knocked out on day one. A criticism of this is that those who start day one might play more aggressively knowing they can start again the next day. I say so what. If they want to play bad the first day I love it. It will make for a bigger prize pool, which is always nice. If you are afraid of facing the same player twice well then why play at all? Maybe I’m missing something here, but what’s the downside? At this last Borgata deep stack they had almost half the players that busted day one re-buy the following day. The added benefit of this will be an incentive to play day one, which is typically the smallest turn out day in multi-day start tournaments.

Allowing players to buy in the second day of play up until midway through that day has created an interesting situation. Of the 275 total players, 30 registered the second day and at the end of that day 10 of those 30 survived which is slightly below the average but not statistically significant. What is really interesting is that Kenny Tran and Phil Hellmuth lasted only minutes after they’re uber-late buy in. None of the 30 are currently high up on the leader board, but there is still a long way to go. Would top competitors in other sports have this type of attitude, you be the judge. I will re-visit this in a couple of days to see how they latecomers fared.

On a side note, I found it odd that Daniel Negreanu omitted me from his WPT stats, when my per event average earnings was only slightly less than his, and I would have made the top ten list. Maybe it was because I have only 27 WPT events and he felt that was not enough to be counted. With Barry Greenstein playing the most, 93 events, and almost 4,000 playing at least twice, 27 events put me 192nd in starts and 10th in over all cash per start. Maybe I was omitted because I have never played a Catholic Priest heads up on national TV? It just struck me as a little odd.

Roy Winston finished 16th in 2007 Card Player, Player of the Year race. He won the WPT Borgata Poker Open and finished the year with well over $2 million in tournament poker winnings. Roy plays online exclusively at Full Tilt. For more information on Roy Winston, you can visit his website: www.oraclepoker.net or send an email to: winstonpoker@yahoo.com with your questions or comments. The contents presented herein on this blog are purely the opinions of Roy Winston, and are not intended to reflect or promote the opinions of any other person, group, or entity. If you like what I write than thanks for reading, and if not well, thanks anyway.

 
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pop10189
over 12 years ago

He said he's only including players with 30 events or more. Quit your whining and get over it. The reality is, you'll never be as good as Daniel.

 
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NYY2009Champs
over 12 years ago

Guess you don't know much about statistics Roy. For those who don't obviously Negreanu does know his statistics, and did not choose the number 30 randomly. In order to call something statistically accurate the sample size must be 30 or greater. To think that he was thinking about just you when he chose that number shows how much of an pompous person you really are.

 
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michigan123cl
over 12 years ago

Why don't you 2 (NY and Pop) go blow your boy Danny.
Get a life.

 
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canadianjedi
over 12 years ago

i don't think you need 30 events to get a good sample size, 15 - 20 should be enough. When your puttin' up 10 large to play in these things over 200k (20 event buyins) is alot of dough. neagreaeanue (sp?)should include everyone who is a winner, espescially roy

 
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canadianjedi
over 12 years ago

i wanna see roy vs negreanaue (sp?) the MMA PPV spectacular. i'd pay large to see that!

 
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JohnnyOnTheSpot
over 12 years ago

Lol canadianjedi. 1) If you want to know how to spell Negreanu, you can find it in the blog by looking slightly up. 2) It doesn't matter how many large you're paying to enter a tournament; that doesn't affect what a good sample size is. Are you saying that if you played in one $200K tournament, that would be a good enough sample size because it cost that much? NYY is saying that it is generally accepted that 30 sets of data are needed to start being considered an accurate representation of something in statistics.

 
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bleeto97
over 12 years ago

What a shock Roy like the Borgata structure. Slurp, slurp, slurp swallow.

 
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njrich520
over 12 years ago

Roy,
Why don't you do a blog on or respond to the fact that the site you rep is sending bad checks or not sending them at all?
or don't you get paid if you smoke while playing on FT?
Someone needs to do a report on the online sites that don't pay when you want your money!!!!!!!

 
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flyer213
over 12 years ago

Allowing rebuys in WPT or any events should not be allowed. What would be the incentive for a recreational player looking to reach for the "brass ring" be if they have to beat a multitude of the best, who have more financial resources, twice? I would not waste any of my bankroll to even satellite into an event that would be that stacked against me. Go ahead and run it twice in cash games but leave the buy-in twice for tournaments idea in the bad for poker pile.

 
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seamarfan269
over 12 years ago

@flyer213 +.5 Although i agree that it would be hard for a rec player to compete with well-funded pros if rebuying were allowed in WPT events, there are plenty (and i do mean PLENTY) of tournaments around the world that do not allow rebuys and an amateur could compete for the "brass ring" in one of those events. The WPT is struggling to re-find itself and new ideas are a must if improvement and survival will exist. Nuff Said.

 
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occupant
over 12 years ago

Wow. I guess it isn't enough to make a point around here. You have to be as insulting as possible when making it, as well.

 
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seamarfan269
over 12 years ago

@Richenough: @#$%$#@$^&**&^%%$$@#%^&())*^%#$#@@@#!!! Nuff Said.

 
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seamarfan269
over 12 years ago

damn haters. :)

 
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MeHung_Loe
over 12 years ago

Roy, you are soooooo stupid. Why do you hate Daniel? Sure he might be gay, but you are too. Stop hating and get a life. After you complete 30 events, i'm sure your stats will fade. I would like to bet that you don't cash in any on the way to 30.
Loser

 
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