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Finally at The WSOP, Durr’s Bets

by Roy Winston |  Published: Jun 03, '10

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I am finally at this year’s WSOP and thrilled to be here. Actually, I haven’t been in Vegas much since last year’s WSOP, only a handful of times, but I’m happy to be back. I will play my first event today, the pot limit holdem. I like the pot limit structure with no antes. It makes for a larger effective chip. It is interesting that many of the players who play pot limit have no idea how much is in the pot. In the PLO games I play it is interesting to see those players new to the game not keep track of pot size. It is the dealers responsibility to know the pot size in pot limit games but not having the info yourself in no limit games is just plain dumb. You should always know the amount in the pot as well as your opponents chip stack and of course your own. You see it al the time in tournaments such as when a player in late position raises, trying to steal and hasn’t realized that the big blind is short stack enough that they can’t fold. It is funny when it happens and the big blind throws the rest of his chips in and the late position raiser if forced to call based on pot odds, and says something like, “you got me.” Now when they say it that kind of an “aw shucks” way, they do always seem to win the hand no matter how far behind they are. You should always know how much is in the pot at the start of the hand with the blinds and ante’s and follow the action keeping up with the changing numbers. At the beginning of each level in a live tournament I take a moment and think about the range of size of an opening raise for that level. It also seems that in the later rounds once there are ante’s many highly skilled players will raise a smaller multiple of the big blind, like say 2.1X in stead of the usual 3X. I find this an interesting phenomenon, because you might assume as more is in the pot you would see larger raises. I believe that if you are a good post flop player, you don’t mind seeing flops with players and this strategy can be extremely effective. If on the other hand you feel your strength of game is pre-flop, where I think it’s easier to be a good player (that is, it takes much more skill to play well after the flop) then you might not want to encourage players to call you.

I really love the fact the Durr has made his bracelet bets public, and I have the utmost respect for Tom Dwan’s game, in the online cash world he may be the best of all time except for maybe Phil Ivey, but live tournaments at the WSOP based on the sheer number of players per event make him a long-shot to win a bracelet in the 2010 WSOP. He may be a favorite against almost any individual player in the field, although there are a few, like Ivey, Matusow, JC Tran, and Elky who are proven tournament specialists that I would favor over Tom. Now that being said if he wins one this year I will be thrilled for him. I have always liked him and I wouldn’t mind seeing him collect on all the bets he has out there. I also think it would be good for poker, so good luck Tom.

Roy Winston finished 16th in 2007 Card Player, Player of the Year race. He won the WPT Borgata Poker Open and finished the year with well over $2 million in tournament poker winnings. Roy plays online exclusively at Full Tilt. For more information on Roy Winston, you can visit his website: www.oraclepoker.net or send an email to: winstonpoker@yahoo.com with your questions or comments. The contents presented herein on this blog are purely the opinions of Roy Winston, and are not intended to reflect or promote the opinions of any other person, group, or entity. If you like what I write than thanks for reading, and if not well, thanks anyway.

 
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mkhammer
over 11 years ago

rich, you make it sound like someone who destroys the highest cash games in the world is going to sit down in a tourney and be as confused as if he sat down and was playing chess for the first time.

 
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WPS22
over 11 years ago

I like your comment about good players opening smaller when antes are in play. I think one big reason is that you can get cheap steals because of the smaller effective stacks at that stage in the tourney. Even though the antes give the BB a great price on even a 3x raise, the fact that the average effective stack is dwindling at this point, makes players much less likely to defend. So many hands that make sense defending with deep, just don't make sense defending with short. Everyone like 67 suited 100BB's deep, its useless 20BB's deep.

Smaller effective stack sizes make the steals easier and the antes make them profitable. Instead of opening for 3x with 1.5x in the pot like you would early, you can open for 2.2x with roughly 2.5x in the pot.

 
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WPS22
over 11 years ago

I just wanted to add, in response, that being a good pre flop player doesn't mean just opening big so players wont call you and see a flop. It can often mean just knowing exactly how cheap you can steal the blinds and how profitable any given raise is. Over raising and just hoping everyone folds is the opposite of good pre flop play.

I also think people can discount the importance of smart pre flop play in tournaments. There is a turning point in every tournament, because of effective stacks, that the most important decisions are made pre flop. Not just talking about shoving, it can be something as simple as whether or not to open the CO or whether or not to defend in marginal spots that can end up busting you.

Its interesting that you mentioned durrr in this post because he is the perfect example of a deep stack monster that has never had great tourney success (not saying he wont). The fact is that no matter how good you are post flop, tourney structures will minimize the impact of those skills late in tourneys.

 
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seamarfan269
over 11 years ago

nice posts WPS22. what is common knowledge to some is eye-opening and revolutionary to others. "just sayin".

 
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