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TOO MUCH OF A GOOD THING??????by moneedude | Published Jul 26, 2012 
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I was playing some 3/6 limit and had a good loose sticky fairly passive gamblers table with people throwing chips in to see what happened with a smile and a laugh. I was lucky and had position on two of the worst of them Bill and Phil two total gambler fish idiots. Bill was on a donkey run and hit solid on all of his garbage stacking chips and keeping chips moving on the table. Phil chased and chased and added extra value to the mix along with some others. I could not catch a start and got frustrated much faster than I should have. In like 3 hours I was in I can not catch a hand land. What is this about 3 hours is like a blink of a blink in poker time and oh boo hoo is you, how come I can not catch a hand to start or a board to continue wa wa wa…..
SO dumb ass me was fine talking the talk and NOT walking the walk for a split second. Then all I had to do was get over involved and it becomes a chaser fest that I am on the wrong end of. I donked a rack. Got lucky late and got it back. However, I broke down mentally and emotionally as well as strategically and in a time period that is completely unacceptable for me as a player and I know it and admit it.
SOLID BASIC PATIENT IS A MUST (Especially in this situation) AND I VIOLATED THIS CONCEPT AND I KNOW BETER.
This did bring up a question and an evaluation about a couple of things I want to make mental notes on and adjustments with.
CAN A GAME BE TOO LOOSE TO BE PROFITABLE OR WORTH PLAYING IN??????
I think this is a YES answer but not a definite yes. You want loose weak players overall and you want loose weak callers overall. However if you have three or four or more of these players at the same table or the table deteriorates into this environment then you have another problem and that is the schooling fish issue or as you can also call it ganging up on the pot or gang chasing and this makes it very difficult if not impossible to apply any actual poker logic or to utilize any real poker strategy to a hand or a game and once it deteriorates into a hit to win fest all the way around you are completely at the mercy of the deck and this is not a place you want to be as a poker player you are tied and restricted too much to allow any skill advantage to be utilized. This makes position (specifically late position and even only late position) and pure patience your only skill or strategy tools as you have to be in the right position and then get basically the nuts and hope to get in a pay off situation with a fish or two. This is a very restrictive and possibly boring and frustrating situation to be in and this is where I was the other night and I did not make the proper adjustments, which now that I look at it is to realize that a table change was the best strategy I should have applied. As stated in all areas of thinking a good thing is a good thing but too much of a good thing IS A BAD THING……
Let's see what others think and say if anything
Have at it
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Comments
trentbridge
11 months ago
I don't think a very loose game does more than change your variance. You are going to get more unlucky beats because in the limit game, people will bet upto the river hoping to hit a one or two outer. I think you hit upon the answer yourself - don't limp into so many pots and especially if you are out of position. If you limp from early position and have six or more see the flop then you better have the nuts. If you're in late position and you have a strong hand, then raise. At the very least it makes the pot bigger when you have the better hand, and it might drive one or two players out. Obviously the flop can turn pocket aces or kings into a losing hand so there's no guarantee that a strong starting hand takes down the pot. As you said: position and patience.
clunker
11 months ago
If your playing in a limit game the pot odds are never that bad because you will almost always have a number of people involved in the pot and the bet size is restricted. The only adjustment you can make is move to a nl table Limit games are more or less for recreational players who want a little action but not a lot of risk Why do you consider the people who take your money in these games fish? Nearly everyone who posts here considers most other players fish.
moneedude
11 months ago
OK, I knew this would come up soon enough. So, let's get at it a little bit shall we?
1. In a limit game pot odds are never that bad is only a partially accurate statement. It is harder to defend a hand and it is harder to reduce an opponents odds but it can be done. More defensive bets and raises must occur on the turn and some check raise opportunities are there on the flop. But it is possible to place players in a position were pot odds are reduced to below drawing odds. It is done regularly.
2.I am sorry to say that the only adjustment statement is the worst. THE POKER WORLD DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND NL.... SO for the sake of argument lets make this very clear. I do not as most have access to the internet for poker at this time. I live in Arizona an of the 4 casinos that I have access to they are not legally allowed to spread a NL game except under tournament structure. I also must say I believe that even though I play allot of tournaments I have learned and continue to learn that the skill sets needed and utilized in limit vs NL are so completely different that allot of players today actually do not posses the understanding of the nuances needed to be successful in a limit game even at some of the higher limit games I get to play sometimes. I think it is kind of funny that the main answer to most questions or statements concerning low limit, or even mid limit is you have to play NL it is the only way.. I plan on writing more on this topic later so enough for now.
3. The term fish is not considered a derogatory term (or at least I do not intend it that way) it is a term I use to define what allot of my opponents do. They fish for cards, or go to the river trying to "catch" a card or fishing. Also the concept of schooling fish has been used in many other articles in strategy and to define a situation when so many players are searching for cards that the school can and does become a huge factor in what and how you play in that situation as the school is actively changing the overall dynamic of the game. By the way I fish all the time I call myself a fish and will openly announce at the table during a hand I am fishing. Poker is by its nature and design a predatory game so there will always be a predator and prey reference. I am a fisherman and my opponents are fish, sometimes I can use a hook to catch one fish at a time, sometimes I have to use a net because I am catching multiple small fish at a time. It is a way of defining strategy adjustments and game conditions is really all.
And for fun only and a little ego on my part. I know on some days I have to feed the fish to keep the pond healthy I am way way OK with that. I NEVER LOOSE MONEY I know right were it went and exactly how it got there. They do not take my money they only borrow it until I get it back with a little interest....OK remember that was for fun I am really not that egotistical have some humor out there......
SO until next time......KEEP CHASING FISH