“Right now, when it comes to tipping, it is a gray area with a capital G,” said World Series of Poker Media Director Nolan Dalla.
By definition, a tip is an optional payment given in addition to a required payment, usually to express appreciation for excellent service. It is also called gratuity, or, in poker terms, it is referred to as a toke. With the rise in popularity of big buy-in multitable tournaments, the landscape of the game has changed. Instead of a rotation of five or six dealers, events can require hundreds of them who rely on tips for most of their income.
In the past decade or so, it has become common practice that a certain percentage of the prize pool be withheld for dealers on top of the house cut. This has become a controversial topic among players and dealers alike. Tips have traditionally been considered an “optional payment,” so now that they are being automatically taken out of the prize pool, it has led to some confusion, disgruntled players, and stiffed dealers.
“In the old days, they didn’t take anything out for the dealers, but all of the players would usually tip 1 percent to 2 percent. I really don’t think they should take anything out,” said 1996 WSOP champion Huck Seed. “The house should get paid, and then people should tip what they want to tip. It shouldn’t be a mandatory tip.”
Seed says that he is an average tipper who always does so when he cashes in a tournament. The amount he gives depends on his experience and the amount of money he wins.
“We have had final tables where no one tipped,” said Dalla. “This is somewhat demoralizing. You have got to have some guarantees. You can’t have dealers essentially gambling on whether they will be compensated.”
Standard Practice?
Most players say that they tip anywhere from 1 percent to 4 percent of what they win, and usually more toward the bottom of this range if money has already been allocated for dealer tips. Information on what percentage of the prize pool is withheld for dealer tips can usually be found at the bottom of any tournament structure sheet in small print. Nearly all big buy-in events, including the recent Wynn Classic and most WSOP Circuit events, take out 3 percent for tournament staff.
At the WSOP, the percentage taken out varies with the buy-in amount of the event. Lower buy-ins, including the $500 buy-in events, have the most taken out at 3 percent. The $1,000-$2,000 buy-in events have 2.7 percent taken out, while the $2,500-$5,000 buy-in events have 2.4 percent taken out. All $10,000 buy-in events, including the main event, withhold 1.8 percent for tournament staff, and the $50,000 buy-in H.O.R.S.E. tournament withholds 1.2 percent.
Among the many players who agree with withholding money for dealers is 2006 WSOP champion Jamie Gold.
“I think that it is a good thing that they take out a certain percentage, because they (the dealers) deserve to be taken care of. I definitely think they should (take out the money), because there are some people who don’t tip,” said Gold.
Gold is known as one of the most generous tippers in cash games, but he was railed for his main-event tip snub. He said that what people might not know is that he personally tipped the final table dealers. Gold gave a dealer money to evenly distribute between the five to 10 dealers who sat in the box while he won the biggest first-place prize in live tournament history.
“Back in the old days, it was always expected to toke,” said Dalla. “Now we are in a new age where some people say, ‘Well, they are already withholding this amount of money for the dealers, why should I be expected to tip more?’ Those are both legitimate, valid points of view. Ultimately, the industry standard should be a compromise between the two.”
A compromise is exactly what dealers are looking for. Winner of the WSOP dealer’s event Erick Narciso agrees that dealers are just looking for a gratuity that is fair. When he won nearly $105,000 for the event, Narciso tipped four percent on top of the 3 percent that was already taken out.
“There is no reason to tip anything extravagant, but a tip is necessary, for sure,” said Narciso. “There are some people who don’t tip, and the dealers have to get paid, so I don’t mind up to three percent. I don’t think it should go any higher, though.”
Director of Poker Operations for Harrah’s Entertainment Jack Effel compares dealers to other workers who rely on tips to make a living.
At this year's
Cantu responded to the issue in depth and said that he assumed the dealers and staff were already taken care of from a part of the prize pool.
Read Part II of this article and more from Cantu.
[Correction: The story has been updated to remove the inaccurate statement that San Jose, California, prohibits tournaments to withhold a percentage of the prize pool for dealer tips. The city does allow that practice, but it must be approved ahead of time. Coordinators for Bay 101 simply did not submit an application in time to withhold tips for the Shooting Star event.]































POSTED ON: Apr 02, 2008
MY 2 CENTS…To preface, my beef is not with all tournaments, but with the sponsored televised tourneys such as all WPT and WSOP events. Upon signing up for one of these events you should read very carefully the release you sign when you pay your entry fee. This leads to my answer as to tipping. Personally, I wouldn’t tip a nickel. I work in the entertainment industry and am also an avid poker player. Let the WPT/WSOP and their sponsors (like Michelob) pay the dealers for their time, and also while there at it, they could fork over some revenue they generate to the players, the unpaid reality show actors. Think about it…what television series can you think of that the actors don’t get paid? In reality, the players are paying to be on the show in a WPT/WSOP event. When you sign that release, you sign your rights away and give them permission to do as they please, however they wish, with your presence at that tourney. If you are fortunate to come in first or second in a WPT event have you ever noticed that they slap a Michelob Select into the winners hands for the “traditional toast”? Again you’re being used as a FREE testimonial celebrity. I say let the corporate sponsors of these events take care of the dealers. How many other sporting events can you think of, be it golf, tennis, horse racing, etc, where the winner is expected to give the staff a percentage of their winnings. I can just imagine Tiger Woods winning a major & then be expected to give up a portion of his winnings to the greens keeper and directors, because the management & sponsors are too cheap to pay them.
POSTED ON: Mar 27, 2008
I play High Limit Slots and give the drink girls $2 per soft drink and I drink about 3 an hour. I'd say $1 per drink is more than fair.
POSTED ON: Mar 27, 2008
I think they expect $1 pretty much regardless. Anything extra is generous.
POSTED ON: Mar 27, 2008
I have another related question.......When playing in larger cash games, say $20-50 & up What is considered a fair tip for a cocktail waitress ? In other words, if you are playing in a bigger game, should you tip the waitress more than if you were in a smaller game ?? What do THEY expect ??
POSTED ON: Mar 27, 2008
One thing to note in all of this is that they are now saying tournament staff. Not just dealers. The large corporations putting on the tournaments are using tips to help to compensate the other staff so they (the corporations) do not have to pay as much out to their employees while they(coporations) still take down a portion of the pot themselves.
POSTED ON: Mar 26, 2008
The tournament "registration" fees are growing larger every year. A typical $300 tournament in Southern California is charging an extra $40 reg. fee. That's nearly a 12% rake off the top. Some even take out an additional 3% for the dealers, for a 15% total rake. OUTRAGEOUS! A $40 reg. fee wouldn't be so bad, if $15 went to the dealers and $25 to the house. I could live with that, even though the players are still paying the whole thing. I am playing less and less for this reason. Where are the organizations that are supposed to be watching out for the players? When I see a casino giving players a fair deal I will begin to play again.
POSTED ON: Mar 26, 2008
Just like a bad waiter/waitress at a restaurant.....I dont want to give them more than they deserve..........this doesnt encourage good service when they know they are getting tipped regardless.IMO
POSTED ON: Mar 26, 2008
when they tape the dealers mouth shut i may consider a tip. also floor people are arrogant, rude and downright abusive of players since their tip is automactic
POSTED ON: Mar 26, 2008
Casinos have been purchased and repurchased for PROFIT by multi-billion dollar companies, so that means they are making very latge sums of money, the casinos should pay their own employees like most companies do!!! Harrah's is even cheap to it's own players/customers, I know for a fact!
POSTED ON: Mar 26, 2008
why should players be expected to tip? for that matter, why should customers be expected to top in any industry? why is it not incumbent upon the employer to pay a fair wage to the employees? the casinos are rolling in the money, yet they expect the players to compensate their poor pay. shameful!!
POSTED ON: Mar 26, 2008
Attention, tournament directors: To (a) avoid hanky-panky by dealers who are gifted in legerdemain and have long memories and (b) solve the problem of cheap S.O.B.'s who'd rather die than tip, tipping of dealers should be PROHIBITED! Dealers should be taken care of upfront by shifting x% of the buy-in to the entry fee.