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No Call on Scotty Nguyen Magnifies Flaw in WSOP Rules

WSOP Tournament Rules Concerning Player Behavior Often Ignored

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Scotty NguyenHe cursed. He berated. He gloated. He scolded, steamed, and insulted. He drank beer after beer after beer and shouted when they weren’t coming fast enough, and Scotty Nguyen did all of this on the way to winning what many poker players consider the most prestigious tournament of the year.

Nguyen may have won the 2008 $50,000 World Series of Poker H.O.R.S.E. event, but many believe his behavior and intimidation tactics clearly violated the World Series of Poker’s own rulebook, while tournament officials did nothing but watch and cringe with the rest of the crowd.

For his part, Nguyen seems to understand the consequences of his behavior, and he responded to fans in a comment on a CardPlayer.com article about the event (scroll down to the long comment on Aug. 20). His expansive comment reads, in part:

“I would like to apologize to all my fans for the disappointment I have caused in the H.O.R.S.E. event. For that I would like to express my sincerest apology. I would like to ask for understanding of what really took place,” Nguyen wrote. “All I would ever be sorry (for), is how the fans feel about me, I would never be sorry to beat those players.”

The WSOP, trying so hard to legitimize itself as an American sport through a well-polished broadcast prominently featuring sponsorships with major companies, admits that the matter of rule enforcement and consistency needs to be addressed, and it promised a re-examination of its protocol when contacted by Card Player.

WSOP Tournament Director Jack Effel is on vacation and unavailable for comment, and Harrah’s released this paragraph when asked to comment for this article:

“All players at the WSOP must conduct themselves appropriately. We obviously have some work to do on this matter. With that in mind, a process has been under way since the end of the WSOP to re-examine the rules related to player conduct and the enforcement of those rules. We will have something more substantive to say on this matter well before the start of the 2009 WSOP.

The rules on player conduct are clear, but how to punish rule-breakers is up to interpretation.

Section IV of the 2008 WSOP tournament rules is titled Player Conduct and Tournament Integrity. This chapter contains 11 subsections that warn players that Harrah’s won’t tolerate any kind of questionable behavior, ranging from cheating to abusing fellow players. Violate the rules, and Harrah’s is allowed to implement penalties at the sole discretion of floor personnel.

Michael DeMichele Michael DeMichele, the main target of Nguyen’s tirades, said the only time a floor person came over to give any of the players warnings was when Nguyen’s talk about his desire to face Lindgren heads-up became detailed. Noting Nguyen’s behavior, DeMichele really wasn’t sure if what Nguyen was doing was breaking written rules.

“There probably could’ve been a couple of points where I could have requested penalties, but I don’t necessarily like to do that,” DeMichele said. “I could handle myself. I could take the berating well and still apply my best game, but what happened to me certainly wasn’t fair, and it would’ve been nice if I had had someone to help me out.”

Someone should have jumped in, and DeMichele didn’t need to ask. Nguyen was in clear violation of at least two written sections:

35. Any player who directs any profane and/or abusive language at another player, dealer, or tournament staff member or who makes any profane and/or abusive comments about another player, dealer, or tournament staff member will be penalized in accordance with Rules No. 31 and/or 51. In particular, the use of the so-called “f-bomb” and “c-bomb,” as well as derivatives of those and similarly offensive terms, will subject the offending player to penalties if they are directed at or refer to another player, dealer, staff member, patron, or official of Harrah’s or the WSOP. In Harrah’s sole and absolute discretion, it may impose at any time a zero-tolerance policy for profane language whether directed at another person or not.

And also:

38. Player or staff abuse will not be tolerated. A player may incur a penalty up to and including disqualification for any abuse toward another player or staff member, and the player could be asked to leave the property. Repeated etiquette violations, such as touching another player’s cards or chips, delay of game, and excessive chatter, will result in penalties.

The World Series of Poker has published the entire rulebook online (PDF).

As repeatedly stated throughout the rules document, though, penalties are made at the sole discretion of the floor staff, so implementation of the written rules can vary from event to event. This wasn’t the only moment during a WSOP event this year that a former champion received what some might feel is preferred treatment. Phil Hellmuth had a penalty removed after he complained about it during an event.

When contacted, DeMichele spent a good portion of the conversation apologizing for his early behavior, which the players translated as gloating. This wasn’t the case, DeMichele said, and it was a lesson he will take with him.

“Let me say, I just wanted to have a good time and be happy-go-lucky, and I didn’t realize how my actions were affecting others,” DeMichele said. “I certainly didn’t mean to rub it in anyone’s face that I won a pot and they lost it. I was just trying to have a good time, and I didn’t realize I was offending anybody, so I apologize about that. And immediately after I realized that I was offending people, I stopped. I really don’t want to get under everyone’s skin. Poker is about having fun for me.”

A collage of Nguyen’s Lowlights is available through YouTube, and viewers are harshly taking Nguyen to task in the comments section there. Immediately after the broadcast, Card Player received e-mails complaining about Nguyen’s antics. Poker forums across the Internet are boiling over with condemnation of Nguyen, and people are also wondering why tournament personnel didn’t jump in and penalize “The Prince of Poker.”

Erick LindgrenWSOP announcer Norman Chad repeatedly cracked about Nguyen’s drinking ability (the jokes took a tinge of sadness as the show went on) and made it clear to viewers that Nguyen’s behavior was out of line, but hardly anything was said about tournament officials needing to step in and curb the outbursts through warnings and penalties. In fact, if Erick Lindgren wasn’t caught whispering into an official’s ear after one of Nguyen’s outbursts, viewers most likely wouldn’t even know that officials have the option to try to curb this kind of boorish behavior.

Haunted by the Past?

Nguyen watched the broadcast Tuesday night and said he regrets that he was portrayed as a drunk and vehemently denied that he is more than a casual drinker. Nguyen says he was not, or ever is, drunk, and his portrayal during the ESPN broadcast was not accurate. He says that what viewers didn’t see was that most of the beers were taken away before they were half empty, but during the broadcast, Nguyen is shown red in the face and furious that it was taking so long for his cocktails to arrive.

“Where’s my f---ing cocktail, man?” Nguyen was shown yelling, his hands in the air in frustration after watching a chunk of his chip stack go away. “What’s up with this, man? Does this table wait forever? F---, enough is enough, man. We play in this game, we wait for a f---ing cocktail?”

Even one of his friends, Todd Brunson, felt compelled to comment on broadcast through an online poker forum. Brunson said it was so obvious that Nguyen was melting down, that he forced him to have a smoke-break during play.

“Scotty was under a lot of pressure to win. While he almost always drinks while playing, I’ve never seen him drink that much either at or away from the table. I also think the time issue caught up with him. The final table went well into the morning, and once you start drinking like that, you’re going to crash if you stop,” Brunson wrote. “It’s hard to defend him after the display [he] put on, but Scotty truly is a nice guy and a gentleman gambler 99.9 percent of the time. ESPN just caught him during that 0.1 percent when he went freakin’ crazy.”

DeMichele also thinks that the more beer that went into Nguyen, the worse his behavior became.

“Scotty’s behavior was completely uncalled for, in my opinion. I think that he became belligerent as he continued to drink. I know that I had offended the table earlier on, but I think he wanted to pick a target to fight with,” DeMichele said. “There were times when I went into the VIP room (during breaks) and many famous poker players had told me that that this is a normal thing for Scotty. At final tables, he likes to get into the heads of others and berate them and beat them down mentally, and that the best thing I could do is try to fend him off without looking bad on TV myself.”

Take a Bow

Nguyen admits that DeMichele’s bowing after a hand got to him and brought out the emotions that he had felt while suffering a major meltdown during last year’s main event, when he went from second in chips to out the tournament with 11 players left. Nguyen said one of the reasons he let himself play so badly to be knocked out last year was that he bottled his emotions and kept his mouth shut.

“I let the player get under my skin [in 2007], and I didn’t say anything at all, and I got knocked out. I made a big mistake just because of the fans,” Nguyen said. “All my life, I’ve tried to give the fans what they want, what the need, a good game, The Prince of Poker that they know. But you know, [the 2008 H.O.R.S.E] event was too big to keep my mouth shut. If you want to get under my skin, I want to get under yours back. That is my game plan.”

He wasn’t going to let the same meltdown happen as last year. With four players left, Lindgren finally stopped DeMichele’s rush with a big hand, and when he did, he took a table bow and made a comment to the crowd critical of DeMichele’s bowing and hamming it up. Nguyen took that as a cue to teach the youngster a lesson on poker etiquette and proceeded to verbally abuse DeMichele for the remainder of the match. Nguyen called DeMichele names, directed the infamous F-bomb at him repeatedly, berated his play, showed his hands to the crowd while still in a hand, and made it public that he wanted to face Lindgren heads-up.

Later in the match, Nguyen got on Lindgren’s bad side, as well, after getting visibly angry and berating Lindgren for raising a bet, because he said he was working to protect Lindgren’s hand against DeMichele. Lindgren told Nguyen that he wasn’t aware that he was doing that and made it clear that he’s not on “Team Scotty” — and never will be.

After Lindgren was knocked out, he embraced DeMichele and told him to “Go get him, man. Make Chip proud.”

Chip ReesePlayers who knew Chip Reese before he passed away in December 2007 respected him for his steady demeanor, respect for the game and its players, and kindness and his humble attitude, among many other things. Harrah’s honored the memory of Reese, who won the inaugural $50,000 H.O.R.S.E. event in 2006, by awarding a trophy for this event in his honor.

During the last hand, a hold’em hand that Nguyen won by having a better kicker to his ace, DeMichele, in an attempted humbled moment, said to Nguyen that he’s probably too young to win the event and that he doesn’t deserve to win such a prestigious bracelet.

Nguyen didn’t hesitate: “You don’t, baby.”

 
 
 
 

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mainlake2
6 years ago

No Drinking at final tables.Very easy problem to solve.

 
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ScottyNguyen
6 years ago

Winning the 2008 WSOP H.O.R.S.E event was one of the proudest achievements of my life. After watching it on ESPN, I know my actions at the table were wrong. For that, I would like to apologize to everyone, especially the fans. I make a big mistake, one I am very very sorry for, and one I NEVER repeat and never forget. I am sorry to all.

Scotty Nguyen

 
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dookiedog_11
6 years ago

That was painful to watch. I lost a ton of respect for Scotty. I will say that everyone makes mistakes, Nguyen's happened to be televised.

Layne flack should be embarrassed, what a tool. Watching him stand there and wait for a high five that would never arrive was a thing of beauty.

DeMichelle is a good kid and heck of a player.

Erick Lindgren is everything that is right with poker. Solid player and even more solid individual. I can't imagine how proud his folks must be of him. I bet Chip Reese feels the same.

 
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lvdefault
6 years ago

Already commented on Scotty's behaviour in a previous post. About the numerous rules voilations shown in this televised event - I think we're all waiting for a response from WSOP tourney director Jack Effel and WSOP commissioner Jefferey Pollack. Let's here it, boys! Are the rules REALLY different for the 50k buy-in people? Try and doublespeak your way out of THIS one! lol

Tony Martin

 
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lvdefault
6 years ago

P.S. - Chip Reese is probably rolling in his grave.

 
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Akat11
6 years ago

Ultimate classless display Scotty. Well done on ruining 15 yrs of a career by showing ppl what a real d-bag u can be

 
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mspokerdiva
6 years ago

I ended up turning if off, I felt really sorry for everyone involved. However, I also noticed that Scotty apologized and that seems genuine. Hopefully in the future the right people will correct these things sooner.

 
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modpol
6 years ago

I've always tolerated the unreal over-use of "baby" from Scotty, viewing him as almost a fun cartoon character/poker player. But his HORSE action does away with that innocence, perhaps permanently.

 
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ccereal4e
6 years ago

Scottys actions werent wrong in any way...Demichele is a prick and a cocky little squeek..he got what he deserved..have some class and poker etiquette and this would have never happened...be a man when u win a pot

 
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dookiedog_11
6 years ago

LMAO at you calling for class and etiquette while defending this disaster.

The epitome of class...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFRQ2399QLw&feature=related

 
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IAmes77
6 years ago

I think its about time that the "real" Scotty showed. He drinks a ton, and is a DB to most people that don't worship him. I wish that FTP didn't sponsor him, and I am sure Erick wanted to tear the logo off his shirt and hat. Anyone that would think of liking him after this show of drunkedness would be insane, and the same goes for his drunk friend Layne Flack. Keep drinking boys.

 
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unabomberallin
6 years ago

Conversely to Scotty, I was very impressed with Erick's table demeanor. He recognized when it was going too far and tried to cool down Scotty, and I am no longer a fan of Scotty. I don't care if he is nice 99.9% of the time, he has responsibilities with his sponsors and he cannot show the nation how much of a tilted drunk player he becomes. Quadruple F minus

 
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SevenKidsPoppy
6 years ago

Harrah's should have stopped the clock and the cameras and then pulled the players aside and told them discreetly but clearly that the next time will cost them twenty minutes and the time after that, forty. Stupid behavior has no place in poker and - guess what? - life.

 
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Radiant
6 years ago

Nguyen has always been a drunk at the table and probably always will be. Any televised table with him featured always includes him showing his hole cards to the crowd, ridiculing other players, getting sloppy drunk while acting like a prick about not getting drunk fast enough, etc. Agreed DeMichele acted like a twit early on, but I believe he got checked on it and understood his mistake. Anyone that thinks this is a rare occasion for Scotty needs to go back and watch virtually ANY footage of him playing poker. He is an ass clown that doesnt deserve the honor of the Chip Reese trophy.

 
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bmpek
6 years ago

poker room personel have there hand out palm up. you think their giving a penelty and lose a potential big tip. get real people. scotty is was and will be a total asshole.

 
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luckydogruss
6 years ago

As bad as Nguyen's actions were, the hand where he folded aces -- in the lead against Lindgren with cards to come -- possibly was even worse for the game of poker as viewed by the public. It looked like a flagrant soft play, one that could have affected the outcome of the tournament. Lindgren was shocked at the "gift" pot, as SN called it, while exposing his cards. Can't imagine what DeMichele thought about the play!

 
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SevenKidsPoppy
6 years ago

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=K0HHhafl3kQ&feature=related , if you want to see class and a bright poker future. Learn, adjust, and change if it's needed. Btw, which honor did Freddy Deeb deserve last year when he called a guy a m***erf***er in the 50K HORSE? The nature of competition is such that players will continue to push the behavioral and linguistic envelope until tv, casinos, and tournament directors realize that public idiocy only hurts the game.

 
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SevenKidsPoppy
6 years ago

Actually, he didn't call him that to his face; he referred to him as that while speaking to Kaplan.

 
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riverhorse
6 years ago

where has Cardplayer been the last month? you knew about this and now you decide to write about it after it airs? you're as much of a rescuer as todd brunson claiming Nguyen he doesn't have a problem. I bet you Doyle doesn't feel that way. It took people complaining about this after seeing it for you to write about it. according to the rules Nguyen's behavior should of been stopped cold early on but for some reason he got special treatment. I understand giving up a little to one of their stars but this was so far out of bounds it made a joke of the game. why aren't you pressing the officials running the event about this and finding out what the hell happened? this was absolutely despicable on Nyugen's part. let's have some answers.

 
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tompoker
6 years ago

Do you think Nguyen or Hellmuth could get away with disrespecting someone like this anywhere but a poker table? It keeps happening because theyve never received a good old fashioned ass whippin! If they pulled that crap in a restaurant or bar they would be lucky to leave with their teeth! One of these days theyre are gonna pick on the wrong guy and get knocked into next week right at the poker table! Its long overdue and would cure the problem permanently.

 
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domdab
6 years ago

wow, look at this...Cardplayer finally takes notice of this only after getting berated for ignoring it. Congrats, I guess.

 
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Scootsy
6 years ago

Why wait until 2009 to strengthen the rules of conduct? Why not do it before the main event final table in November? Scotty embarrased himself and his many supporters. He lost two fans -- my wife and me.

 
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Scootsy
6 years ago

One other thing: the current issue of CardPlayer makes no mention of Scotty's behavior or the antics of DeMichele. Why not? Your job is to report, not cover up.

 
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halltxholdem
6 years ago

It was obvious that Scotty had one too many cocktails. I've met him at tourneys where he has always been a Gentleman with a beer. Why didn't they enforce the rules? If this was Joe Blow, he would have been on the rail or been warned at the least. I agree he soft played Erick trying "to teach the kid a lesson". Kudos to Erick and DeMichele for putting up with as much as they did. It's sad that Scotty didn't have a friend (other than Flack) to tell him his public relations rating was going down faster than his beers. He needed to be cutoff. Unfortunately, he will pay the price with the loss of a lot of fans over his cocktail hours and actions. I still respect Scotty's poker game, he's one of the best. Now the Prince of Poker has an ugly smudge on his crown that he will need to work hard to clean up. Shame on the tournament director for not stepping in!

 
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rfine48
6 years ago

Cardplayer....Please explain why none of this behavior was mentioned in the latest issue. I find it very irresponible. In fact, I will not be renewing my subscription.

 
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kickyourace
6 years ago

Scotty was way out of line. DeMichele didn't drink and enjoyed winning his hands. Until Eric mentioned it, Demichele didn't see an issue. When Eric did mention it, Demichele, came around and presented himself in a light you'd like to see poker played in. Then Scotty gets toasted and just ruins any possible table image of poker beginners and mid level players thoughts about him. Lets face it. Some people may not want to drink. That said, he should have gotten a penality. Between Scotty and Phil, getting away with murder by abusing other players, The WSOP just shows how much they really care about rules and the press and fans. I'll be sticking to WPT events. I had my free pass to the Main Event this year. I'll be using the funds for the Borgata Open. At least there, you have a shot at the rules being kept.
Kick.

 
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Poker007
6 years ago

Judge a man by his actions. Scotty wins the Chip Reese trophy. How ironic! Chip’s legacy was that a poker player could be both a fierce competitor and a man of dignity, a true professional. So who wins his trophy first? A drunken, cussing, poor sport whose entire vocabulary consists of three words: the f-word, beer and baby. And while I’ll admit saying baby all the time is really cool. I remember it was all the rage when I was in the eighth grade. It’s time to buy a dictionary. I supposed God made this happen so that we can mourn the passing of Chip all the more. Instead of Chip, we get Scotty. Thank you. Grow up Scotty. It’s not too late.

 
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DCJ1
6 years ago

mainlake2
POSTED ON: Aug 21, 2008
"No Drinking at final tables.Very easy problem to solve."

Good point. Except, until Jeffrey Pollack and Jack Effel get the guts to enforce the rules and not show favoritism, Phil Hellmuth will continue to be an obnoxious crybaby.

 
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TRAP_STAR
6 years ago

It was obvious that Scotty said things that were uncalled for in this tournament but I can understand where he came from. He was under tremendous pressure (after 2007's meltdown) and wouldn't let a kid get in his way. He had the killer instinct of winning and did (and obviously said) anything that would help him get under the skin of the younger inexperienced player. He obviously had control of himself (still having the ability to play very good poker) but the beer did the talking, saying what was really on his mind.
From my opinion, the verbal melee with Eric Lingren was a misunderstanding by Scotty when he didn't understand Eric was making a joke.
I've always been the bad guy all my life and I love good guy or bad guy of figures in the sporting world as long as they back up their claims and end up on the top. They make the sport entertaining and when they win and back up their trash talking, it makes everything much more entertaining. When everyone hated Terrell Owens and Phil Hellmuth as bad guys, I cheered them on.

I don't care what anyone says. Scotty Nguyen to me IS one of the best poker players in the world and still my favorite player, no matter what, baby.

 
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h20man1965
6 years ago

Regardless of Scotty's ability to play the game, he shamed the poker community. From all accounts of Chip's peers, this behaviour was world's apart from Mr. Reese's.
It was hard to watch. I was embarrased for Eric and Michael.
Harrah's should have acted, strongly. They have in fact done so before, during a circut event. They did show a final table player the door, having not been televised I can only imagine that that player didn't behave like the child Mr. Nguyen became.
Youu can hide behind your "baby" all you want to
Scotty, but your ego can't hide the fact that you have disrespected the game we all love.
I was ashamed for you.
Harrah's, quit knee jerking, you have the rules enforce them. Protect "our" game, it doesn't matter who is being unprofessional. SHUT IT DOWN!
You allowed our game to be diminished by one player. Shame on you too.

 
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unabomberallin
6 years ago

Harrah's admitted they need to enforce the rules, and I agree that they should be revised before November, that is a really good point. Secondly, I am not so sure how people still defend Scotty. Regardless of the "pressure" he had, he makes himself look like a hipocrite. He always tells everyone "no pressure baby" blah blah blah, and if he feels pressured he has the right to just say "You know, baby, Scotty got got some pressure in this tournament, baby". If he was trying to defend his image by saying he had some pressure, honesty from the beginning would have been the best path, not yelling "where my f--ckin cocktail man" among other things. It was humerous at first, but by a 3rd of the way through part 2 things got so horrible I almost turned it off. Scotty disgraced any legacy he had and I am definately very tired of hearing "baby"

 
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kenag
6 years ago

Since its POKER lets call a spade a spade! This was Poor management by Harrahs, ESPN and poor behavior by Scotty! If you can defend this i would love to here you tell your children the difference between RIGHT and WRONG!!

 
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duke111x
6 years ago

I wonder what Gary Lovemans reaction to this is???? Cardplayer should do an interview with him.

 
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Jh10h
6 years ago

Just because he is the "Prince" of poker, that does not give him the right to berate other hopefuls in attempt at the most prestigous bracelet in the series. Harrah's and/pr ESPN should have indefinitely penalized Scotty Nguyen for at least 10 minutes, maybe even 15 for his crude belegerant behavior. Go have a smoke break, maybe even three. I respect Michael DiMichele and E-Dog Lindgren for maintaining their composure throughout the embarassing display Nguyen protrayed. Hopefully the staff will do a better job at disciplining players' actions if it gets to foul, no matter the celebrity status.

 
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emtee
6 years ago

scotty nguyen gets no love PERIOD.

 
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IAmes77
6 years ago

LOL...true story on the Gary Loveman remark. "You should not gamble if you have had too much to drink" "Unless you are Scotty Ngyuen and/or say Baby all day". This whole commercial makes Gary look like a DB when they are showing 2 hours of a belligerent drunk playing cards. Ha. IRONY

 
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flyboy330
6 years ago

I agree with everyone here. Chip Reese would not have been proud about what went down with this tournament. He was truly an ambassador to poker, and was one of the nicest gentlemen to play the game. I was looking forward to watching the final table on ESPN / catch the highlights of it, and I couldn't believe how Scotty Nguyen was acting. I have a lot of respect for him as a person, but that was brutal to watch on the tube. He was acting drunk and constantly belittling people on the way they were playing. And on top of that, he was saying stuff to try to get Lindgren in the middle of it by softplaying his aces against Lindgren's Q's and low draw, and Lindgren isn't that type of player. What really threw me off throughout the entire thing was Michael DeMichele. Let's be honest here, that table was stacked. I wouldn't want to sit with anyone at that table. Michael DeMichele was celebrating and showing his cheering section that everything was alright. He was smiling and enjoying himself, stacking his chips up. Here's the thing, when someone else is running well, the other people always feel inferior to that person. So, the pros decided to say what was truly on their mind, that the celebration was excess. I don't believe it was. There are people that do a lot worse than just have a big grin on their face and rake in chips just like DeMichele did. At first, after reading that Scotty won, I was happy that he won. Now, watching what transpired at that table, I can say that the truly classy people were Lindgren and DeMichele, and definitely not Scotty Nguyen. What really did it for me was when DeMichele said, "I guess I don't deserve it, I'm only 23." And then Scotty said, "You don't, baby." Geez, give DeMichele the kudos. He fought through the toughest field to get second, I would give the guy some credit. Good Job, DeMichele on a great performance. For Scotty, he may have won that bracelet, but I know that his actions that night spoke louder than his victory; might have even tarnished it.

 
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HuskerInVegas
6 years ago

I heard Scotty tipped the all the Dealers at the HORSE Event a 6 pack of beer. All were half full.

 
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Gotti560
6 years ago

The "PRINCE OF POKER".......I think NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a disgrace to the memory of Chip.

 
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houts
6 years ago

I've read all the remarks on this page.

And I watched the full H.O.R.S.E. event with Scotty's tirade.

Yet, I feel compelled to tell you all to grow up. Live in reality land.

This is poker folks. The true essence, history, and nature of Poker was and is what Scotty presented. This is psychological warfare with verbal attacks and belittling demeanor. I grow weary of individuals, young and old, demand certain actions from "Poker Players".

Before T.V. was recording these fad-ful stars, these sort of tirades occurred frequently with very little repercussion. Why? Because talking IS part of the game. If you can NOT handle someone talking about your mother, your game, what your wearing, or a random swear word, the maybe you should stick to your home games. Keep your Christian ideologies at home and leave the manly sport of competitive games to us.

Oh no, god help us, he cursed. Um, yeah, that happens in sports. (even if you want to debate if this is a sport of not)
It's a 'M' rated program, viewers should close their eyes and plug their ears. Please...

He berated. Really? In a poker game? Did his opponent break into tears? No? Why is that? Oh, yeah....because it's commonly done....like all the time.

Drinking? You don't say?! At a poker game, of which was a 5 day event, and you tell me he may be intoxicated?
Did we ever hold this to standards before? Have you ever been in a poker room? There are plenty of drunks. And half the time they are taking your money while calling you "sally".

Be warned. The poker rooms are for mature adults-players be cautioned. Put up a sign above the door.

"Your feelings may be hurt-enter at your own risk"

Deal with it.
Get over it.

He is a "Poker Player".

He is not a president nor your father. He is NOT a role model (thanks Charles!) of any sort.

He is what you make of him. Now, if he wishes to appeal to 'fans' in the poker world, and aim to sell books and other public imaging , then what he did would effect his bottom line: money.

However, he does not thrive on being a 'poker celebrity' as others do, and kiss up, hug, high-five, and demand affection from you sniveling children.

Scotty make money on winning poker. Without his success in this game his fame means nothing and in the end less of the bottom line.
He was at a table playing for 2 million. Because 99 percent of you have no concept of the magnitude and pressure,and prestige, of such, I have to presume your all ignorant of such reactions or behaviors that come with it. Moreso, I doubt you would understand the strategy of approach. And, while Phil is in this group as well, verbal attacks (aka 'tilt') is a known strategy that creates results-sometimes for the good and sometimes for the bad.

Now, go back to your moral and ethical poker tables where you gamble on high ground. What hypocrisy...

 
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lvdefault
6 years ago

Houts - it would seem (I'd bet - to most) YOU are the one who needs to grow up. And if you knew Chip Reese (It's obv you didn't) like I and many others did, you'd feel the same way too. This is Chip's "legacy" event - and a long-time pro such as Scotty Nguyen should have conducted himself with more dignity and respect - for both himself *and* Chip's Legacy (not to mention the other players) than he did, period. Let's start by recapping what transpired. Mike annoyed the pros because he was doing something that was certainly legal within the rules to do - bow between every pot. Ok, fine. Childish & annoying, but fine. Scotty F'd and berated everyone in his path (aside from the dealers - lucky them) up and down for over 2 hours (I was actually in the audience). Not fine. Against the rules. Should have been warned, then the appropriate penalty given. We're not all pissed because Scotty went nuts and obv. tried to get into the heads of his opponents. Trying to get in an opponents head is certainly part of the game. But when there is an established rule and ONE player's conduct goes WAY beyond what that rule allows for - and (the most important part) THE TOURNAMENT STAFF AND MANAGEMENT DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT IT - that's when WE "go nuts"! Harrah's should be ashamed for this. I saw both Jefferey Pollack *and* Jack Effel at the final table area during this event, and SOMETHING SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE. ... Strategy? Sure - when he started the head drilling, that part was stratgey. But when he went ON and ON and ON and ON and ON and ON and ON (I was there) for over TWO HOURS - well, is just simply went beyond - WAYYY beyond "strategy". -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for your opinion - but it is - just wrong.

 
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Negreanu1745
6 years ago

Most the people that are upset with Scotty are not upset because they are so shaken by the use of words. They are shaken because it was out of Scotty's normal portrayal of being such a laid back kind of guy and always being happy and friendly with everybody. I, personally, have always loved Scotty and enjoyed watching him at the table. I play in regular card rooms all the time at casino's and his actions would not be tolerated. Did you read the article or have you played in a card room before? You cannot repeteadly drop the f-bomb or insult someone like he was doing as per TOURNAMENT RULES. He was breaking rules and was not being punished for it. On top of the fact he was obviously colluding in the attempt to get Lindgren heads up because the kid got under his skin like he admitted.

I have seen drunks cussing thrown out of cardrooms before and be penalized before for using the F-bomb. I don't think Scotty should of been kicked out, but he should of been cut off and given a warning and if he continued send him outside for 30 min's. Yeah that is how poker was handled in the old days but it's not handled like that anymore where you can berate a player and then you should carry a gun when going outside because your going to get jumped. You need to catch up on the times and realize that etiquette and sportsmanhip are a part of the game as well.

 
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Gr1ph1n
6 years ago

For those that haven't seen it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfA4IQ6VKmI

 
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Chubrock
6 years ago

Scotty is Scotty and Phil is Phil and the Mouth is the Mouth. The problem is Harrahs and the WSOp not enforcing rules equally. No question thias behavior was unacceptable and this organization should be the role model for the changes in rules and the enforcing of rules, not the opposite. As a Director of an east coast poker room, we constantly hear how this is allowed at the WSOp and that's allowed. And it's stuff we all know is unacceptable and not part of poker. The WSOP needs to draw the line in the sand and enforce etiquette rules no matter how big the name is. If they want to be the leader in poker, then lead.

 
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riverhorse
6 years ago

The guy needs to make a public apology on camera and then get some help. He has a problem, everyone knows that even if todd brunson doesn't. why the hell haven't the wsop officials been interviewed about this? what's their explanation for sitting by and doing nothing? they are as much to blame as nguyen.

 
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Mayor
6 years ago

I did think it was a bad display by Scotty, but he is an odd character and I think Harrah's should be more ashamed than Scotty. I see bad winners at the poker table all the time (and I am occasionally one of them). That doesn't make Scotty's actions okay, but I think all poker players logically push the edge that they have and push it as far as they think htey can get away with. It was Harrah's job to define the boundaries and they failed to do so. I tend to doubt that Scotty's behavior actually changed the outcome of the tournament. But even if it did, that's a part of Scotty's win. Those of you who say Scotty didn't deserve this trophy will have to go back and review the tape. He had the best cards at the last showdown and everything else is just noise. Scotty, I was disappointed by your behavior, but I accept your apology.

 
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Scootsy
6 years ago

A reply to houts: At my card room, that kind of behavior isn't tolerated. In fact, I have never seen anyone treat another player at the table that way. That person would be escorted to the exit and into a taxi. If you don't believe me, try it sometime and see how security handles it.

 
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zenon_mist
6 years ago

Scotty is clearly a skank when he's drunk. This conduct and his melt down in last year's WSOP proves he is not a good sportsman.
For all his happy talk when sober he's an inferior human being and a lousy representative of poker. I will never respect him; doesn't matter how good he is, what he says, where he says it. He's trash and gives the game a bad name.

 
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pistolx40
6 years ago

I lost all respect for Scotty. he doesn't deserve the time of day from anyone. Some "prince of poker" he is all out bad for the game. he drinks at the table like a fish and has all the excuses in the world. Fact is he is just a disgrace to the game at this point. i hope he never cashes again and finds anew job so respected players don't have to deal with such an ass

 
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seamarfan269
6 years ago

OK...OK....OK.....We ALL get it!! Scotty acted like an arse! Here are the facts:
1) Harrah's Staff dropped the ball on enforcing their own rules for whatever reasons only they know. (Yes, probably $$$)

2) Harrah's does enforce their rules after FIRST offense and Scotty comes off looking like a champ not a chump.

3) Cardplayer puts Scotty on cover of mag and fails to mention any of his conduct!! WHY HAPPY(Shulman)????

4) All these "outraged" fans will continue to support Harrah's despite the "enormous" juiced tourneys and "inadequate" staff by breaking attendance records and $$$ records every year.

Those are the facts!! NUFF SAID!

 
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h20man1965
6 years ago

str8 up. this is been kicked enough

 
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maninblack
6 years ago

u know if any of us non pros did this behavior we would be punished. but with scotty and phil helmuth's tirades, we have proven that the rules do not apply to the upper limit players as they do to the rest of us grinders. i have been a fan of scotty for years, but not any more

 
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cher04
6 years ago

Scottie's name does not deserve to be on the Chip Reese Trophy. It should be expunged and the bracelet returned, even if they let him keep the money. Sports have to police their own, and make things right if the official on scene messes up. These did, big time.

 
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riverhorse
6 years ago

I'd like to know what the hold up is with interviewing the wsop officials who ran the event and the top dogs running the wsop. Cardplayer where are you? you either know or can find out who these people are. The poker community by in large wants some answers. Where's the PPA's voice on this, do they condone it to?

 
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ohiopeanuts
6 years ago

houts needs to wake up himself this was on national tv and scotty should have been taken to task for his behavior. their is a professional way to do things and scotty dosn't know the meaning of the work professional. espn should not have even aired that event on tv their were plenty of other events with true professionals to air instead of this poor behavior by scotty

 
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17stcanal
6 years ago

I have never seen any player get away with the kind of abuse Scotty dished out. This type of "chat" is not even tolerated in on-line tournaments. WSOP rules are a joke if they are not enforced. When I pay money to play in a tournament, I expect the host casino to provide a reasonably pleasant environment in which to play. Harrah's failed to fufill it's responsibility to the players. What player would knowingly pay to enter a tournament if they knew this behavior was going to be allowed? CardPlayer, please stay on this and get a response from Harrah's - you owe it to the players.

 
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2oucheBag
6 years ago

what a drunk douche bag and a wife beater
NO RESPECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
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houts
6 years ago

I've read all the remarks on this page.

And I watched the full H.O.R.S.E. event with Scotty's tirade.

Yet, I feel compelled to tell you all to grow up. Live in reality land.

This is poker folks. The true essence, history, and nature of Poker was and is what Scotty presented. This is psychological warfare with verbal attacks and belittling demeanor. I grow weary of individuals, young and old, demand certain actions from "Poker Players".

Before T.V. was recording these fad-ful stars, these sort of tirades occurred frequently with very little repercussion. Why? Because talking IS part of the game. If you can NOT handle someone talking about your mother, your game, what your wearing, or a random swear word, the maybe you should stick to your home games. Keep your Christian ideologies at home and leave the manly sport of competitive games to us.

Deal with it.
Get over it.

He is a "Poker Player".

He is not a president nor your father. He is NOT a role model (thanks Charles!) of any sort.

He is what you make of him. Now, if he wishes to appeal to 'fans' in the poker world, and aim to sell books and other public imaging , then what he did would effect his bottom line: money.

However, he does not thrive on being a 'poker celebrity' as others do, and kiss up, hug, high-five, and demand affection from you sniveling children.

Scotty make money on winning poker. Without his success in this game his fame means nothing and in the end less of the bottom line.
He was at a table playing for 2 million. Because 99 percent of you have no concept of the magnitude and pressure,and prestige, of such, I have to presume your all ignorant of such reactions or behaviors that come with it. Moreso, I doubt you would understand the strategy of approach. And, while Phil is in this group as well, verbal attacks (aka 'tilt') is a known strategy that creates results-sometimes for the good and sometimes for the bad.

Now, go back to your moral and ethical poker tables where you gamble on high ground. What hypocrisy...

 
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holdem4food
6 years ago

While I can make comments on Scotty's behavior at the H.O.R.S.E. Championship, I'd like to comment on a point made in the article. The article commentas on E-Dog's address officials after one of Scotty's outbursts .... While it does shed light on the ability of officals to step in and control behavior, in watching another airing of the event one of the words I made out from E was "Layne". I'm pretty sure that E's comments to the officals were not in regards to Scotty's behavior, but in fact in regards to Layne Flack approaching the table to celebrate w/ Scotty ..... proven even more by E's dis of Layne's high-five attempt when E hit the rail ..... OUCH ......

 
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pievegas
6 years ago

I was a floorperson several years ago during a WPT event when Nguyen conducted himself in a similar manner. Not only did the tournament director cover for him, the casino berated me and our staff for making an issue of it. It's about time the cards fell in favor of those that show respect for the game. Sadly, Nguyen maintains that he doesn't have a problem with alcohol.

 
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TheM0lly
6 years ago

He is no longer the celebrity sponsor at Cherokee here in Tulsa. Apparently during another"I'm-only-a-casual-drinker" episode this summer he was found beating his wife in the lobby. The 3-4 times I talked to him at the casino, he was never sober. I pray one of his respected poker buddies can get him into help before it's too late

 
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