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Department of Justice Indicts Owners of Major Online Poker Sites

Indictment Includes 11 Defendants and 76 Bank Accounts

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The Wall Street Journal, Reuters, Forbes and other financial media outlets are reporting that the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York has indicted the founders of PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker, Absolute Poker and UB and seized their websites in the latest attempt to crack down on online gaming.

Instead of the site’s usual homepage, visitors are given the message, “This domain name has been seized by the F.B.I. pursuant to an Arrest Warrant in Rem obtained by the United States Attorney’s Office.”

The U.S. Department of Justice released a press release about the indictment, naming 11 site representatives as defendants for allegedly violating the terms of the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (UIGEA) of 2006. The allegations state that the poker companies illegally coerced U.S. banks into processing payments after the UIGEA was passed.

In addition, restraining orders were issued against 76 different bank accounts and payment processors who were named in the Department of Justice’s recently unsealed indictment.

Full Tilt Poker issued a statement Friday night, explaining that while they do not agree with the actions taken by the Department of Justice, they have decided to suspend all U.S. players from their real money games.

Full Tilt’s CEO Raymond Bitar, who is one of the defendants named in the indictment along with colleague Nelson Burtnick, said in the press release, “I am surprised and disappointed by the government’s decision to bring these charges. I look forward to Mr. Burtnick’s and my exoneration.”

The PokerStars client greets players with a message assuring them that their account balances will remain intact. “As you may have heard, we have had to suspend real money poker services to people based in the U.S. due to legal developments there. The developments are confined to the U.S. and do not have any impact on your ability to continue using our services. Please be assured player balances are safe. There is no cause for concern. For all customers outside the U.S. it is business as usual.”

After hearing the news, Poker Players Alliance chairman Alfonse D’Amato released a statement. “On behalf of the millions of poker players across the country, we are shocked at the action taken by the U.S. Department of Justice today against online poker companies and will continue to fight for Americans’ right to participate in the game they enjoy. Online poker is not a crime and should not be treated as such. We are currently gathering all of the information around today’s announcement and will offer detailed analysis when the full facts become available.”

Some close to the case speculate that Daniel Tzvetkoff, an alleged former payment processor for online poker companies, has provided details to the U.S. government.

Card Player will update this story as more details continue to materialize.

UPDATE 12:30 PST — PokerStars has blocked U.S. players from all real money games.

UPDATE 6:45 PST — Full Tilt Poker has blocked U.S. players from all real money games.

 
 
 
 

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texasroadgambler
over 6 years ago

Surprising it took as long as it did for the government to act. Among other remedies, the government is seeking 3 billion from those indicted and others.

 
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ravensbite
over 6 years ago

Why is it I am not surprised? The govenment isn't happy unless they control everybody and everything!!! This totally â–ºsucksâ—„!!!

 
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marcojuice
over 6 years ago

good now they can keep just legalize in the US. you can cry all you want but its the law.

 
 

John-Berger
over 6 years ago

"In tough times...You don't blow a bunch of money in Vegas... You prioritize". Obama Feb 2 2010

 
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marcojuice
over 6 years ago

That was a smart move on the government. Check this out First they legalize online poker in Washington dc, Tuesday and now on Thursday they shutdown 3 major foreign poker sites. Its all about money. There thinking Why should millions of our dollars go to other countries when we can just keep it in the US anyway where the sites can be monitored by the US and the Us can make tax dollars off of it. To me it was a smart move Now they can legalize in the US for All states.

 
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pocket77s
over 6 years ago

@marcojuice

That is a very smart move. If this is what the US intends then get those American sites up so we can enjoy revenue for the US and poker for us.

 
 

JaxFull
over 6 years ago

Full Tilt appears to be doing business as usual at 3pm CDT, 04/15/11

 
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a10slee
over 6 years ago

I only play the .net sites of FullTilt and PokerStars and I was unable to get into either of them tonight. I don't play online for money, so what's this about then....perhaps they plan to relieve the national debt by confiscating funds. Who knows

 
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JaxFull
over 6 years ago

But www.fulltilt.com has been seized.

 
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Ragaboo
over 6 years ago

Good thing that's not their site. Try www.fulltiltpoker.com

 
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Higgiebaby
over 6 years ago

fulltiltpoker.com has been shut down. Fulltiltpoker.net states it only offers play money games, no real money.

 
 

therevgs
over 6 years ago

Looks like www.fulltiltpyoker.com doesn't show any such statement.

Pokerstars.com has "pokerstars.EU at the top of there site

 
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texasroadgambler
over 6 years ago

The really bad news is that after Federal indictment, you are a nine to one underdog.

 
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ipushw8
over 6 years ago

What a joke of a county we live in!!

 
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Higgiebaby
over 6 years ago

I totally agree, unless your on welfare, then you can get everything handed to you

 
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smokeymtn
over 6 years ago

Really guys going after Poker players ? Come on! Oh my government is such a bunch of A-holes! Here they fight over funding a women’s right of choice. They have no problem fighting about cutting education funding and taking care of the poor and elderly. They get all up in arms over providing health care to those who can’t afford it and in the end get nothing done any of that or about double digit unemployment or loss of homes and trillions in debt oh except give trillions to billionaires. and now with an industry that 30 million Americans enjoy and use, and industry that could actually create jobs, taxes and income to help pay for education and health care of course they are able to get in my bedroom and stop it! So glad they want to not only protect my rights but tell me what rights I want or have…NOT! We are really messed up when we CAN go after my bedroom but CAN NOT take care of kids, poor and elderly because of our “MORALS”. gezzzz

What about the TRILLIONS walls street has stolen? What about the rampant corruptions in our government. I see FBI you don’t seem to ever get the time to take that on but again the middle class nobody is the one that takes his rights and personal life on the chin because some corrupt official wants to play up to in his/her political ditch wackos agenda for more campaign funding. Hey FBI are you law enforcement or lackeys of these wackos? Not sure this one qualifies as public servants or law enforcement!

So rape, murder, molesters and so many other horrible crimes are not as important and if your a billionair or in politics your above the law…I C FBI.

 
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CelloBob
over 6 years ago

This was the nanny state Obama administration. It's his Justice Department that pulled the plug. Wonder what they think they are protecting us from? If they succeed in putting Net Neutrality in place, you will eventually see license requirements in order to do any significant publishing on the Net too - just wait and see. These Stalinist creeps make me sick. Impeach Obama.

 
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KMart_Sux_Ray
over 6 years ago

The Unlawful Internet Gambling Act was Piggybacked to a Port Safety Bill by the Bush Administration in 2006 so before you start spurting off at the mouth with all the asinine Tea Bagger rhetoric try doing some research... here are a couple links for you:

http://www.aba.com/compliance/UIGEA.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAFE_Port_Act

 
 

Killuminati21
over 6 years ago

Hey Kmart boy it doesnt matter who wrote the bill in office in 2006 this is 2011 with a different president.The problem is you dont know that it doesnt matter who is in office they are all run by the Illuminati they just put a different mask on every 4 or 8 years they are all Illuminati trash.

 
 

KMart_Sux_Ray
over 6 years ago

Hey Killuminati boy... I do know that it doesn't matter who is in office and that our Government consists of a bunch of crooks, I was just stating the facts on who introduced the Bill and how they introduced it (Piggybacked on a Port Security Bill at the last minute to force it through because no Politician in their right mind would have voted against a Port Safety Bill). If the Bill was never introduced in 2006 who knows where the legality of Internet Poker and Gaming in general would be, who knows maybe there would have been someone in D.C. with enough brains to figure out a way to legalize and tax it to create revenue that could go towards the $14 Trillion dollar hole the general public will undoubtedly digging their ass's out of in some way or another. Long story short, I was making a point to know you facts before speaking.

 
 

Killuminati21
over 6 years ago

Hey Kmart boy I love your heart mang you speak the truth I like that I got your back homie.....Peace in the middle east

 
 

KMart_Sux_Ray
over 6 years ago

No doubt, we all have a voice and we need to use it and use it wisely otherwise before we know it we are going to find ourselves reverting back to a Feudal System (which not surprisingly paved the way for Capitalism, funny how the rich keep it pulling the wool over the sheeps eyes...)

 
 

Killuminati21
over 6 years ago

Baaaaaaaaa...Did you fart Ray?OL LOL LOL best line ever

 
 

paulstar
over 6 years ago

Any other Gov't would have done this 2 yuears ago at minimum. So what are you talking about? This has been on the backburner for tooooo long. If anything, Obama's administration paid no real (serious) attention to this until now! I cannot believe that since 2007, americans were still allowed to play on these sites.
The next thing you will find out is that Pokerstars is fixed, and that computers detecting smart mathematical play probably handicaps most of these players slightly enough to makes sure the winnings are spread so that the rake wins mostly everything, leaving only a few of the randomly selected usernames to be unaffected so they can prove that there are real winners. If you play perfect mathematical omaha hi/lo split and are not making money against the 70-80% of other players that completely play against the odds at all costs, then you are unfortunately not one of those selected random players that excaped the fix, and you are being pooled into the rake along with most other players. The other main advantage to this is that poor players don't lose as fast as they should, and sometimes show a win - just often enough to keep them sucked in, even though they are losing in the long run of days they play (they only remember those wins and hope it will one day always be like that, even thouogh it won't of course). Now the pool of cash is being spread so that almost all players contribute to the rake in the long run.
Keep trying new names with relatives until you get a lucky unaffected screen name and you can then be one of those forum chatters that says "huh, i am a wqinner, so why all the fuss about on-line games cheating us?" Little do they know, they got a lucky unaffected username COMBINED with the fact they play better than the average (enough to beat the rake!)
This theory has already been proven by a bunch of us with several screen names tha past 4 years. Also, isn't it a coincidence that if you are new player that makes a big deposit (or several early deposits) then you are a winner instantly for about 2-4 weeks (depoending on frequency of play) and after your huge your huge addiction now kicks in, they screw you until it is all gone and you are stuck making deposits forever because you are hooked on the fact that you won 5k or 10k (a good run they gave you in the beginning when you played 15/30 and 30/60 limit poker - to keep you hooked in hopes of doing again!) - Pavlov's theory is even stronger than you can imagine when it comes to winning money. If it wasn't, then there wouldn't be bingo junkies all over the world, and casinos and lotteries, and and and bla bla bla.
Argue all you want - these are the facts folks - and it is amazing that the US took this long to crack down. Only explanation? They were getting money at the back end (as if we didn't know) but some greedy fcks involved with the sites didn't give in the full amount the US GOv't requested behind closed doors, so what you are seeing is a crackdown based on that - not all the BS they are telling you. Wake up folks! A law is passed years ago and the worlds largest site (at the time) Party Poker, closed doors to americans along with others. How the hell did all these other sites survive this long?? The US would have them closed down within days!!!!
Society are sheep thinking they have power because they are allowed to form opinions and say anything they want anywhere, ina ny chat room or on any street any time! But that is the illusion of power the Gov't wants you top have - keep you bickereing about what you know should be right - meanwhile they fck you any way they like and make rules any way they wish and you never know the truth about what happens behind closed doors - not just with policies the Gov't ignores (there own) but especially when it comes to money - YOU NEVER KNOW what the hell is up. You just think you do because you have the freedom to speak - big fkin deal. Didn't do much to stop the vietnam war - and that is when the baby boomers gave up the fight and decided to go along for the ride of BS - so long as they got high tech shit imported into the country and secure homes and kids they could bring up into an era of information, high tech BS and the ILLUSION of freedom. LOL. You cannot blame the boomers, they had no shot against the Gov't 30,40 and 50 years ago! And nobody has a shot today to change anything. Too many options for society nowadays to keep people busy enjoying all the toys given to them, while at the same time pretending to be mad at the Gov't and speak out in chat rooms. AR you kidding? These people don't give a fck. They only curse the Gov't because they have the power to do so (the illusion of power), just like a kid turning 14 that can now tell the teacher to f-off. Poeple are just like that to the Gov't, but it means nothing and the people couldn't care less really, just like the 14 year old couldn't care less about the problem they had with the teacher a few minutes after the fact. It's all an illusion folks. If you realy cared, you wouldn't be spending all that time having a 2 hour text chat with your friend (one that takes 3 minuts if you just waited to speak to each other, morons!). Instead, you and your friend, and their friends and so forth and so on, would be in the millions marching the streets - so please stop pretending.
Best example of addiction by the way are the players I know that are convinced the sites cheat them (even though we already know they do) ands yet they keep playing because they cannot get rid of that thought where the site made them rich for a little while early on (to suck them in) and then the addicted play out the string until they are broke and lost their house and wife and . . . Corporations are just as much swines as Gov't - MONEY BABY - that's all - MONEY.
This is not a rant!
This is a wake up of sht you already know, but don't wish to face.
Freakonomics (the book) is just a very weak example of some of the crap people don't recognize. They kept the book very simple to make sure it is reader friendly. The reality is, they could write an encyclopia 10 times the size of the entire Britannica copllection to give you hundreds of thousands of examples you take for granted, examples that are right at your nose and at your fingertips everyday!!

 
 

reverendwright
over 6 years ago

Your an idiot you marxist piece of shit.Why should i pay for some woman to get an abortion?Billions are spent on education you asshole.If you care so much give your money instead of other peoples money you ASSHOLE.i WOUOLD LIEK TO SLAP YOUR FACE BITCH.

 
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reverendwright
over 6 years ago

YOUR A F*#KIN IDIOT,YOU MOOCH.YOU GIVE YOUR MONEY TO OTHER PEOPLE,DON'T STEAL MINE.WHEN A ROBBER COMES IN YOUR HOUSE DO YOU THINK IT'S OK FOR HIM TO TAKE YOUR MONEY?WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ROBBER AND WHAT YOU WANT TO DO?

 
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trentbridge
over 6 years ago

Stupid, stupid, stupid. Make criminals out of millions of Americans! I guess no-one bets on NFL games, either.

 
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usclawpoker85
over 6 years ago

Terribly unfortunate.

 
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trentbridge
over 6 years ago

PS site is up but I'm locked out of any real money or freeroll tournament. BUMMER!

 
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BrianGarst
over 6 years ago

The US Attorney is Preet Bharara. His office #: (212) 637-2200

 
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redfan73
over 6 years ago

"The US Attorney is Preet Bharara. His office #: (212) 637-2200"

Really? We have a President named Barack Obama and a US Attorney named Preet Bharara?

Is Osama winning? Is this his new attack on the US people? So much for bombs and planes, let's move on to the people.

OK so much for that rant.

As for the sites being down in the US, everyone seems to be blaming Obama. You really need to be looking at the new Republican Congress while they pass their "Tax Cut" bills.

Obama has very little say in this issue. If anything he would be trying to legalize it so we can spend all of the money we saved on "free" healthcare. Then he can would tax our online withdrawals at about 34% to pay for all that "free" healthcare.

 
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K-REX
over 6 years ago

FT is still allowing US players to play real money games at of 445pm CST but for how long...

 
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GClifton
over 6 years ago

But you can't make any deposits.

 
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gangles
over 6 years ago

I feel sick. I have counted on my income from online poker for years. This is outrageous.

 
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pokerpro1078
over 6 years ago

It's very sad. Me and you friend are in the same boat! It's either move to diff area, where casinos are close by... I guess that's are only option ..Not to mention, the wive doesn't understand. She says it will be back to normal in a few days ,like the other times.I can tell this might be it...On top of that, she hates me leaving to play live poker which causes arguments.. But she knows it's how i pay the bills she wants it both ways the money there but me home and online poker settled that in a certain way .... and where trying to have are 1st child all i can say is religous or not you and your family will be in my prayers ...say one for us to ...p.s sorry for venting so much but i just felt that same sick feeling.. all the best ~ Ryan in mass.

 
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MidyMat
over 6 years ago

F - U - D.O.J.

 
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MidyMat
over 6 years ago

Why did they have to do this right before the Pokerstars SCOOPS started?

 
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Cashewz
over 6 years ago

Yes, I'm sure that the DOJ specifically timed this in order to interfere with the SCOOP. *eyeroll*

 
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MidyMat
over 6 years ago

2-7 NL at my house tonight screw the FEDS

 
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blufdaddy
over 6 years ago

tilt*

 
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blufdaddy
over 6 years ago

OMG the scoops! This is a dam joke

 
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blufdaddy
over 6 years ago

is full tile working still??

 
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Cashewz
over 6 years ago

C'mon CardPlayer ... try to catch up with everyone else on this. I can't believe the main headline on your front page is still about Jason Mercier going back to back. REALLY?

Word now is that PS, FTP and UB/AP will be shut down WORLDWIDE within 48 hours.

Remember ... you DIDN'T hear it here (cardplayer.com) first.

 
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MidyMat
over 6 years ago

RIP Online Poker for the USA

 
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clunker
over 6 years ago

cellobob this is jon kyl and his creepy religious followers doing. MAYBE YOU NEED TO put THE BLAME WHERE THE BLAME BELONGS THE SCREWY RIGHT WINGnut fanatics who want to run your life. Tell a woman whats right for them tell 2 guys or 2 women whats right for them. Of course in your myopic goofy world it's blame the black guy

 
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John-Berger
over 6 years ago

Actually it is Timothy Geithners Justice Department part of Obama's Executive branch of Government that is taking this action. I know for a fact that Obama and Geithner are not Right Wing Nut Jobs.

 
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John-Berger
over 6 years ago

Actually it is Timothy Geithners Justice Department part of Obama's Executive branch of Government that is taking this action. I know for a fact that Obama and Geithner are not Right Wing Nut Jobs.

 
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McDeath007
over 6 years ago

Damn those muthurfockers trying to take away our rights little by little. Send them all to HELL. ...

 
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grinder881
over 6 years ago

Unbelievable! You don't have enough crime in the USA so you make up crimes? What is wrong with the US Attorney General. I am sorry but I have to say it. Common sense is not so common. If the US banks were illegally processing payments then go after the banks for breaking the law. The law was made in the US and now they are not going to prosecute banks in the US for breaking the law, but try to prosecute an entity that is not even US based. I am a proud US citizen that served in the US ARMY for over 6 years, but I am utterly and completely disgusted in our justice system today. What a complete and utterly inept justice system we have today. UNREAL IDIOTS THAT ARE RUNNING OUR GREAT COUNTRY INTO THE GROUND!!!!!!!!!!

 
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WayneBullet
over 6 years ago

Should I Cash out of Bodog then? I still have money on there.

 
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blufdaddy
over 6 years ago

were you able to take money out of pstars or FT?

 
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shimey013
over 6 years ago

You didnt know, the enforcmement of the act was piggy backed on the gov't bail out bill. Its how they are planning to help pay off the nat debt by fining these people millions of dollars. FU DoJ you are so full of yourselves. Right to happiness, right?? and playing poker online makes me happy, so FU. Anyway the main sites were all set up with a program that met standards that if the sites were legalized and taxxed that they would be able to stay up and running. So for those they thought these sites were crooked they better think twice. Anyway This is just BS i thought bout cashing out but then i think cashing out may not be a good idea since they are probably watching stuff like hawks...so im staying away from now, i will just ran and call the DoJ full of sh%%

 
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mago
over 6 years ago

and all you guys could muster in the past is get the Government to regulate online POKER. Well, the Poker Alliance got it's wish. Poker is regulated to the fullest. What you are seeing here is not the Bush doctrine signed in 2006, but the nanny state of Obama using its power to control. Obama and his Justice department can decide willy nilly not to enforce the Defense of Marriage act, but will allow them to run roughshod over poker players. Welcome to the land of Wahington and the " new " marxist at the helm.

 
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trentbridge
over 6 years ago

"allegedly violating the terms of the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (UIGEA) of 2006."

So Obama is responsible for legislation passed two years before he became President? I have grave doubts that the NY office went up to the level of the White House to ask permission to file this set of charges. I seem to remember this was the clown that went after Neteller before the last Presidential election.

Any while we are at it - why can't gay people get married? They are not asking to be married in churches. Or do you think it's okay to force your religious beliefs on everyone?

 
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reverendwright
over 6 years ago

obama is against gays getting married you moron.WHO IS PRESIDENT NOW YOU F*&#ING GOOF.

 
 

barizzio
over 6 years ago

IMPORTANT POINT:

The US Gov't has NOT indicted anyone, period.

That's because the DOJ does not have the constitutional authority to indict anyone.

An indictment is issued by a Grand Jury and only by a Grand Jury.

DOJ has only issued a Complaint at this point, and surely will be seeking indictments but the title of this thread and article are inherently misleading.

Not surprising to see this level of shoddy journalism by the same publication that allows dimwits such as Michael Bernstein to insult people under this guise of a poker "blog."

 
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ccbco
over 6 years ago

This is all about generating tax revenue. This country is going down the tubes. They punish people who are the achievers in society with higher taxes. 14 Trillion in debt!! With the idiot we have as president now it will only get worse.

 
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ccbco
over 6 years ago

This is all about generating tax revenue. This country is going down the tubes. They punish people who are the achievers in society with higher taxes. 14 Trillion in debt!! With the idiot we have as president now it will only get worse.

 
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trentbridge
over 6 years ago

So you're okay with Rep. Ryan's giving seniors a government check to buy their medical insurance from private medical insurers? What happens when the insurance money is all spent - you're okay with private bill collectors harassing 90 year-old demented seniors to pay the difference?
No - so who's going to pay? Who do you think the insurers are going to run crying to when the bills don't get paid? Yes, Uncle Sam. The same Uncle Sam who bailed ou Wall Street when the folks didn't pay their mortgages. This isn't a plan - it's a joke!

God forbid that the billionaires of finance don't see a cent of increased taxation!

 
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grinder881
over 6 years ago

Dear Barizzio

You have no clue what you are talking about. If for some reaon you don't think this article is legit or misleading then go to cnn.com and look at that article. Federal law enforcement officials have confirmed that 11 people have been indicted. Also 2 people have already been arrested. The indictment is 52 pages long. You might want to do some research before you spout off thing that are incorrect. Alot of people are missing a major point in this though. Since UIGEA was a law passed in the US then why doesn't the DOJ go after the banks. The banks are breaking the laws since they are processing payments they should not process according to the UIGEA. If anyone cares to look into the future, do you think somehow the banks will get a government-induced bailout out of this so they can give bonuses to associates that were breaking the law.

 
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leocott
over 6 years ago

Illegal internet gambling. This would include the stock market? YES Placing money on an event/entity without control of the outcome = Gambling. At least when I play poker I decide when and how much I will risk.

What about all the fantasy sports sites? Billion dollar industry there are they getting any heat. Now that is $%@!*)# Gambling

 
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greatscot
over 6 years ago

Barizzio, your post makes no sense. The government has to take the case to a grand jury to indict. They decide which cases to bring to the grand jury and what evidence to present. It's simple. If the DOJ didn't take this case to the grand jury, there would be no indictment. With all of the guns and drugs and other violent criminals out there, prosecuting this case is absolutely ridiculous.

 
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Mentorred
over 6 years ago

Land of the free, your having a laugh.

 
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NJdiablo
over 6 years ago

Thank you, Senator Jon Kyl (R) Arizona, for your 2006 bill to make online poker illegal.

Maybe a bill to tax and regulate online poker would have been more appropriate?

I'm glad you've announced that you're not running for office again.

 
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jaslusher
over 6 years ago

Bill Frist (R) was the author.

 
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ncantoral
over 6 years ago

wow, i was shocked and I was on a heater too !!!

 
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pokerdogtoo
over 6 years ago

Best thing to happen to the game in 6 years. Bye,bye crooks and now all you bingo playing punks will have to go to a real casino and play. Lets see how you do now against the real poker players when you can't count on these rigged sites to hold up your donk hands!!!!!

 
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indydallas
over 6 years ago

Well said my friend well said

 
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whirl44
over 6 years ago

Can't wait

 
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pokerdogtoo
over 6 years ago

I see skill coming back to poker... great day!

 
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Killuminati21
over 6 years ago

pokerdog if you cant win online you flat out stink

 
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whirl44
over 6 years ago

Beautifully said!!!!

 
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ncantoral
over 6 years ago

lottery anyone??

 
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sharkeyone1
over 6 years ago

anyone want to bankroll this Canadian? The tournament guarantees are not being met on the sites. This is crazy. mallott@live.ca

 
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sharkeyone1
over 6 years ago

anyone who is worried, my ft ans ps username is sharkeyone. my email is above.

 
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ipushw8
over 6 years ago

Take a survey and let your voice be heard. www.thehiloofpoker.com

 
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blegend
over 6 years ago

Department of Justice??? More like Department of Injustice. This country is turning into a third world country so fast it's ridiculous. A change has to be made. All of our right in the United States are being taken away. I personally have a little over $5000 in my full tilt account, which is the same as about half as any money I have outside of it. More and more this country is going into the gutter and if this goes through, I will seriously consider leaving it. They say America, love it or leave it, well each day I love it less and less. Say whatever you want about it.

 
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dolphinsasso
over 6 years ago

we have the worst crime rate in the world and this is what they do with their time. my last check from ps was just withdrawn from my bank. may never see that again

 
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herbie5858
over 6 years ago

could not be happier as all those sites do is ruin famlies, etc....yea some benefit, most lose...

 
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herbie5858
over 6 years ago

could not be happier as all those sites do is ruin famlies, etc....yea some benefit, most lose...

 
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herbie5858
over 6 years ago

It looks like the ride may be over for the Daniels, Durrs, Iveys of the world and their big endorsements...while there is no question they will reap monetary gain overseas, their US monies will come to a halt....I am sure all have secured enough financially where this should not be an issue....for Daniel provided he stays away from cash games...for Durr provided he contiues cash games, for Ivey provided he continues being Ivey.

 
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ccbco
over 6 years ago

Well atleast we have another ponzi scheme social security to rely on, LMAO. Trentbridge you make me laugh.. If you taxed everyone in the US at a 100% take rate over 100K of earnings, (which I'm sure a Marxist like yourself would be happy about)you couldn't fund the government for a year. I never understand why idiots like yourself love the government. Only because you want something for free. You want Obama(Govt) to run healthcare and they cant even run a monopoly like the post office. Obama has never run anything in his life, he's so inept. Liberals always bring up the racecard as you have no other way of defending him. I love Obamas black half, I just hate his European marxist white side. People like you just don't want to be free. You want the Government to take care of you. Pathetic people we have in this country. Poor people continue to be poor because of the bad decisions they make on a daily basis. Taking money from people who earn it and get off their ass in the morning will not change behavior. I'd short Harrahs stock but what do I know.

 
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nowaysir1
over 6 years ago

fox news?

 
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MrFist007
over 6 years ago

Poor people are poor because of bad decisions?

bullshit

the more money you have the more you can make, look at a pawn shop, or anyone into investing, when 90% of the wealth is in 10 % of the population and the institutions in place keep it that way, poverty is not about bad decisions its about being given the short end of the stick and facing an uphill battle. and when bush gives a bailout to rich ass mofos it doesnt help

educate yourself and keep the pseudo political know it all jibber jabber to someone who is feeble enough to be impressed

 
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reverendwright
over 6 years ago

keep blaming other people because your a loser mrfrist.

 
 

mago
over 6 years ago

and if you confiscate all the wealth in America, the same 5 - 10% would regain a majority of the wealth again. Why? Becasue they know what money and wealth is for and how to get it. A poster above said the poor are poor due to bad decisions...partly true. They are poor becasue of bad choices early in life which results in bad consequences later in life. Money begets money as the holder of that dollar invest in sound and sometiome risky ventures. Just as in poker, it is the good decisions that make you money and the bad ones that cost. Risk versus reward. Poor people are the ones that didn;t take a risk or even step up to try, poor folks are usually the greediest of all as they are not willing to step up and or out, they hord what little they have. Never letting go and and can only think beyond today. Scared money is always lost money.

 
 

texasroadgambler
over 6 years ago

A disaster for the "drones". Now they have to learn "hand to hand" combat.

No software programs, no electronic tools, just "hand to hand" on a real battlefield. No avatars allowed.

 
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whirl44
over 6 years ago

Fish out of water.

 
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SteveSteelz
over 6 years ago

I won't be home for a few hours. Has anyone tried to withdraw from Full Tilt? I'm at work and sweating over my funds

 
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SteveSteelz
over 6 years ago

Has anyone tried to withdraw from FT?

 
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crewzin
over 6 years ago

Another money grab by the feds they won't be happy till they have it all.

 
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crewzin
over 6 years ago

Another money grab by the feds they won't be happy till they have it all.

 
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Lucky4Gus
over 6 years ago

Stop playing the blame game, there is plenty to go around on both sides. Take action. Join the PPA (but don't send them any money, these poker sites have enough to fund their own battles) Write you elected officials. As much as I hate what is happening, DOJ is just enforcing the law. It's the law that needs to be changed.

 
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Lucky4Gus
over 6 years ago

Stop playing the blame game, there is plenty to go around on both sides. Take action. Join the PPA (but don't send them any money, these poker sites have enough to fund their own battles) Write you elected officials. As much as I hate what is happening, DOJ is just enforcing the law. It's the law that needs to be changed.

 
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ccbco
over 6 years ago

Mr Fist If your poor in this country, if not disabled your a loser. Rich people keep getting rich because they keep making good decisions and repeat them and work harder. We have the samne percentage of poor people in this country since all the great society programs started in the 70's. You will never be succesful, your just bitter and jealous. Please let me know how the governemnt is going to help you by taxing the evil rich. A pawn shop/ title loans/check payday loans, look at the neighborhoods their in. Another vehicle stupid people continue to use. Many people have come out of poverty in this country(I'm one of many examples) your just unable to look at yourself and not take the blame for your failings in life.

 
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dwanfan
over 6 years ago

Some random guy giving a summary of what he´s seen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSdXXUSo0xQ

 
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jkc67
over 6 years ago

It is possible, if not likely, that this could be a good thing in the long run for online poker. I am not saying this is definitely going to happen, but maybe this will lead to what we all want. That is the merits of online poker being formally adjudicated. Clearly what the major sites were doing was circumventing the 2006 law by allowing US players to play real money games. (I am quite glad they did so I could continue to play.) Was this illegal - we will have to see. But, in the end this will all go to court. Ultimately the efficacy of online poker will be tried in addition to the actions of its operators. The online industry with its billions of revenue will bring in its heavy duty attornies - at least they better for all the money they have made. Don't be surprised if this goes all the way to the US Supreme Court, because whoever loses this legal battle is certain to appeal. One thing is certain these sites will not be allowing US real money players for an extended period of time. And that certainly sucks. But I hold out hope that this will bring about a new law regulating and allowing real money online poker.

 
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shimey013
over 6 years ago

1st off if you are poor you shouldnt be gambling your money away. 2nd not everyone is poor because of bad decisions, with the econmy the way it is, its very hard to find a job that covers you. I had a job that paid well and then the company went under, no one wanted to pay me close to what i was making, so i had to take a job that paid alot less. Yes, some of my finacial issues are my fault, but most of them are just the fact that times are hard.

 
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paulstar
over 6 years ago

Your Reagonomics killed your country. Borrow, borrow, borrow. The people were trained to be just like the country - borrow borrow borrow. Now you have hundreds of millions (most of the population) in their own personal debt and high interest BS because they were handed out credit by institutions the past 25 years as easily as catching money falling from trees like. Gov't, people and businesses at every level have done this since Reagonomics peaked and now you are playing out the rest of the string . . . in your country. It doesn't matter who is in charge, who is Gov't, who runs a corporations decisions, it's all BS when people talk about that stuff. No matter who is in charge the past couple of decades would have inevitably succumbed to all the BS you are witnessing in the USA. Macroeconomics is more powerful than you think, because the immediate score won through macroeconomics during the Reagan era (creating the illusion of a wonderful society through overborrowing and VERY BAD planning to gain immediate luxuries without any assumption of the what may happen in the future from that point), has now been copied by microeconomics within the country the past 20+ years and so now you are seeing most people suffer like the US did during the great (hidden) economic depression of the 90's). Most people do not realize just how devastating the 90's was from a macroeconomic point of view, and the only thing saving the US was power and more borrowing (and of course low low interest rates!). Now the citizens are suffering the same dilemna at home because Microeconomics followed the same pattern of the faulty macroeconomic plan and the sht finally hit the fan for most people the past 5 to 10 years (especially the past 5 years, and ESPECIALLY the past 3 years!!).

 
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ipushw8
over 6 years ago

Over 100 surveys taken in one day, please keep it going make your voice heard...Goal it to break 2 thousands surveys by weeks end and 10000 surveys by months end. Help make poker legal and safe make your voice heard. www.thehiloofpoker.com

 
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SagacityWon
over 6 years ago

Freakin Fascist, Ivy League, Wall Street bred, Big Business Corpratocracy not only takes our taxpayer money but now does not want to let us live.

They do a lot of harm to us but what harm to we do to them by playing with our own money online? If they think they will force me to put my money into the stock market instead they got another thing coming.

Poker can be a business. Wall Street is the tyrannical fascist gambling syndicate

 
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dwanfan
over 6 years ago

A few you tube videos with screen shots, weird accents and angry people all talking about this issue:

Angry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb4jSCCB94I

Accent and screen shots:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSdXXUSo0xQ

news:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_nNRVAEnQw

opinion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytN9BaJCXOo

 
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dwanfan
over 6 years ago

Go to facebook and join the group:
"Rally against the FBI shutting down US poker sites"

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_193657060678071&ap=1

 
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mikeAce
over 6 years ago

This really sucks for US affiliates. It seems tilt is using www.fulltilpoker.co.uk as the main site and stars is using www.pokerstars.eu but the cashier is not available for usa players, i wonder if the visitors are being recorded...

 
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SevenKidsPoppy
over 6 years ago

See what the poker gods do to people who mess with FossilMan?

Anyway, where there's a will, there's a way.

Here's a gift to those who'd like to continue playing online:

- http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.asp

[That's Canada's immigration website.]

 
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paulstar
over 6 years ago

This will be a boon for the Canadian economuy. Americans coming into Canada to spend money and live while not asking for hand-outs.

 
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reverendwright
over 6 years ago

All you idiiots that voted for that moron obama.HAHAHAHAHAHA.And by the way,bush sucks too.

 
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Dave112
over 6 years ago

This must be the "change" that the Marxist, Stalinist, Totalitarian Obama was referring to (enforcing right-wing Puritan Christian Bush-era laws against the, 1800's & 1900's hometown American, game of Poker). Uncle Stalin would be so proud of the "change" brought by our first Kenyan president. Yayyyyy, let's hear it for Marxist big government.

 
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rickyfitts
over 6 years ago

1. Cardplayer and PPA as representatives for our interests has been and continues to be a joke. If you've given a dime, you could've gone to a homeless shelter and done more for online poker.
2. Nobody outside of poker players gives a rat's ass about what just happened.
3. More than half the poker players (my guess) voted for Bushy who's neo cons passed the bill, and the other half voted for Obama who is now enforcing the law. You get what you pay for and politicians have never been worth it.
4. Until legitimate, regulated gambling passes in toto (all gambling), there will be no online poker and then the online crew will have to resort to looking you dead in the eye and figure out what they're gonna do. VPIP my ass:D

 
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sdmlv420
over 6 years ago

As a poker player, and online one too, I just find it funny that everyone is pissed we cant play yet didnt wonder for the last 4 years why you were able to deposit money from us bank accounts to be able to play? Did you think it was ok for now???. Maybe more people move to vegas now!!

 
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ncantoral
over 6 years ago

it just feels like another way to unwind on a saturday or sunday has been taken away from me.

do you know what else I can't do where I live? cookout on my freakin back porch.

oh oh oh, I got one, the city I live closest too, has an ordinance where you must pay a 100 dollar fine if a couch is found on the sidewalk in front of your house.

wait, here is a better one. my neighbor was selling metal and copper illegally from his house. so one day the cops showed up (of course) but not to bust him on the metal. oh no, that is way too easy. some other neighbor called child services and told them he was neglecting his kid.

 
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atleastimcool
over 6 years ago

The gov seeks 3 BILLION from these sites. Now how the fuck am I gonna get my $188.88 back???!!!!

 
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Firelotus212
over 6 years ago

Rickyfitts - great post. Sums it up really really well. At least some folks here have a brain.

 
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Firelotus212
over 6 years ago

Im amazed at how a few of the racist Obama-haters have used this as an excuse for their idiotic tea-bagger rants. I guess they dont mind that the little guy pays taxes while the bought-and-paid for GOP proposes more corporate welfare to billionaires who already pay NO taxes (check out GE, for one). Their only "smart decisions" were bankrolling GOP errand boys.

The sad thing poker-wise is that Card PLayer, which should be the first place to go to get info, has nothing but day-old info from yesterday that I could have gotten from AP. Really? There is a video from 3 days ago with their so-called "legal expert" talking about the prospects of bills on the state level. You think maybe they could wake him up and get up an updated report about this DOJ action?

Where is an interview (not just press release) from PPA rep D'Amato? Where are interviews with people in the poker world - players, casino owners, etc? Does CP have any real journalists on payroll?

I came here to get bg and updated info, and got better info from ABC news and ESPN videos. Thats sad.

 
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John-Berger
over 6 years ago

You are so right the law was passed in 2006 so it is all Bush's fault.

The Bush Justice Department refused to prosecute the law because they said there was no "Definition" of what online gambling is. The law was too vague as to which games were considered games of chance and which were games of skill. Therefore no action was taken.

On January 29, 2009 the Obama Justice Department seized $34 Million from 27,000 US Poker Players, not the companies the players. Of course this is all Bush's fault too, because everything that happened in the first year of the Obama administration was blamed on Bush. This was only 9 days after Obama took office so that falls safely within the 1 year grace period.

On June 27, 2009 Treasury Secretary Geithner gave banks a warning (They sure did not give the players any warning) that they had 6 months until June 1, 2010 to be in compliance with the UIGEA. If they were not in compliance by then the Justice Department would prosecute. This is also Bush's fault I just have not figured out why yet. Any ideas Firelotus?

 
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Killuminati21
over 6 years ago

Racist????????????Obama flat out is Illuminati trash.Black people always have to pull the race card.Got news for ya it isnt about race we all trashed George W.I bet us crackers were racist when we spoke the truth about Bush.All these politicians are actors thay have no real power.

 
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boku09
over 6 years ago

Time to learn how to play with live humans in a casino.

 
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whirl44
over 6 years ago

Yes!!!!

 
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texasroadgambler
over 6 years ago

ASSET FORFEITURE

I think that you will all soon discover that your deposits are forfeit.

You will notice that the indictment includes the legal term "In Rem". This is a provision of law that gives courts jurisdiction over property. This applies to the 76 seized accounts which we can presume holds your deposits.

Asset forfeiture is always sought in money laundering indictments.

No one who plays online can claim that they are innocent third parties. As the law states "...knew, or should have known"

 
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Cashewz
over 6 years ago

I wouldn't be so quick to assume that. It's pretty likely that the asset forfeiture will apply to the monies taken by the sites for rake; ie. their profit. I would imagine that players' bankrolls are held in separate trust accounts, and the government will have a fair bit less of an argument to withhold those funds.

 
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juniorchampion
over 6 years ago

i think that poker is a thinking mans game--> well timed aggression and knowing when your beat are JUST basics! But i did learn to play ONLINE and i've learned things about how i THINK on ACCEDENT playing cards.With that being said....all in all, I think the lessions we learn playing this game far out weigh the CASH VALUE!
At this time, i FEEL for those that live far from a casino! i'm simply upset i cant find more folks that wanna play low-limit mixed games at my local casino!! I know... poor me right!? But i'm honestly more upset people don't TAKE PLAY MONEY SERIOUSLY! But think about it...if preflop shove is your only move...How the FUCK do you expect to win real CASH? LUCK??? I rather play craps if thats the case!!!!!
GETTING back to my point....I've leaned great PATIENCE and disipline at the tables (real and play money). And at the end of the night... poker is about making the CORRECT move no matter WHAT the pot is worth. Doyle's book talks about how players CARRY themselves away from the table...maybe we should all re-read that part.POKER is a GAME and ONLY that!!
One last thing.... If you all knew anything about about credit/debt system, you will find THIS IS THE 1ST STEP TO LAGIT-ONLINE-POKER. AND for all you that find this moment another pathetic reason to complain. I can only hope your online bankroll wasn't as big as your EGO...


 
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Globalfx54
over 6 years ago

Did anybody notice that as of April 12, 2011 there is only one place n the U.S. where only poker is legal....wait for it...Washington DC!

On April 12th, Nathan Vardi wrote a story that was published on Forbes.com, that in the budget bill was a law that made online poker legal in DC, as long as the Congress didn't challenge it befor April 11th. The Congress didn't challenge it, and so now online poker for money, he said, is legal in Washington, D.C. only, bypassing Las Vegas and New Jersey. He quoted the mayor as saying they are looking forward to earnng $14 million for social programs by 2014 as a result.

There's great coverage of the hypocrisy here:http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2011/04/16/federal-criminal-hypocrisy-fbi-shuts-down-top-online-poker-sites-just-days-after-washington-d-c-your-congress-legalizes-online-gambling/

 
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John-Berger
over 6 years ago

It is legal to play online poker in New Jersey as long as you are playing on an intrastate regulated site (casino that pays taxes in New Jersey). You can also play casino games you just can not make sports wagers as that violates Federal Wire laws.

 
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John-Berger
over 6 years ago

In the court case William E Baxter Jr v U.S. 1986.

Billy Baxter claimed that poker was a game of skill and the IRS claimed that it was a game of chance. If it was a game of chance Mr Baxter could not claim it as business income and pay the 50% tax rate he would have to pay the 70% tax rate.

The Trial court ruled in Billy's favor and said the IRS had to refund him the 20% it had overcharged him.

The IRS appealed to the Ninth Circuit court of Appeals and again lost. The Ninth court rulled again that poker is a game of skill.

The IRS said they would appeal to the U. S. Supreme Court, but never did. Had they done so we would have a Supreme Court rule that poker is a game of skill and would therefore not quality as gambling under the UIGEA. However we do have 2 federal rulings that show that it is a game of skill.

 
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paulstar
over 6 years ago

Best post on here John.
This is just proof that everything we hear is BS.
The only reason why the plug was pulled was because soebody fked up within the sites and politicians weren't paid off properly behind closed doors - otherwise the crap would have been pulled 4 years ago

 
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BMW507
over 6 years ago

.. I`m so sad - `bout all this one bullshit !!!!
Only one word ring`s in my head : "INSANITY !"..
By the way - in Moscow city, "our" government`s whore`s have ensured that ALL decent people are play`s poker in hiding !!!
And what now ? Let`s find the deep-deep hole (in network`s - or by Polaris System [0,76] - right into the Tharghoid Teleportation Station, or - anything else, more far away from the Earth planet) - and start`s to play safely ???????? .....

 
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Sailor40
over 6 years ago

On the page posted by the DOJ on the sites they took over, they base their justification on four parts of the U.S. Criminal Code. The first is the most important, it is Title 18, section 1955, which defines an "illegal gambling business" as one that is illegal "in the State or Political subdivision in which it is conducted". It goes on to state that gambling "includes but is not limited to pool selling, bookmaking, maintaning slot machines, rollette wheels or dice tables, and conducting lotteries, policy, bolita, or numbers games, or selling chances therein." The other parts of the criminal code are meaningless if Internet poker is not illegal under this section.

There are two clear issues to be decided by the courts. The businesses involved are hosted in other countries. Does the fact that the players are in the U.S. mean that section 1955 applies. There are many precedents set in cases dealing with the collection of sales taxes that would implie that it does not, as long as there is no physical presence in the U.S.

The second issue deals with the topic raised by John-Berger above. The only time that the question of whether poker is gambling has been decided by the court system, it was found to be a game of skill and NOT gambling. You will note that none of the items specfically mentioned in the code require any skill.

Taken together, it would appear that the DOJ has a very weak case, but it will take years to adjudicate. Hopefully Congress will act before then.

 
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lovecal
over 6 years ago

No wonder the FED left the banks alone who created the Financial crisis. They were busy getting poker stopped.

 
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snigglebeach
over 6 years ago

I worry that the same thing that happened to me with Partypoker will happen again.

Low stakes player who usually has $20-$40 in my account.

Had $19 when PartyPoker shut down, now $35 with PS

When i finally got contacted months later, they sent me a check, from like Belguim of something, and my bank said there was a $20 dollar international cashing fee, so i would actually owe a buck.

So they basically got to keep my $19 bucks. Not a lot, but i bet thousands of us micro-gamers got screwed, and that added up for them.

 
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John-Berger
over 6 years ago

Again I think that Poker Stars and Full Tilt will win their case because poker is a game of skill and therefore not affected by the UIGEA.

I have still transfered the money in my Poker Stars account to a friend in Germany's account and he is going to Western Union me the money or something we will figure out later. I have only done this because I do not know how long it will take for them to win this case. If you have friends that are out of the country you can still transfer money to them from your account you just can not bet. If they do not have an account tell them to open one and just park the money in that account or have them cash it out. This is just for protection.

Ultimate Bet/ Absolute Poker takes money for black jack, craps and other casino games. I think they will lose their case. I have not transfered my money on this site yet because they are still taking my bets as of 6pm PDT Saturday April 16, 2011. I am expecting them to shut out US players on Monday when their business office opens. That is just a guess on my part though. The fact that they have really been flaunting the law by taking bets from US players on non-poker games, maybe they will just stay open for business as usual.

I would not recommend trying to fund or de-fund any account since the FBI has an injunction against banks and wire companies from doing any business with these sites and US citizens. They will seize this money and you will not get it back until the site wins it's case in court.

The first arraignment will happen on Tuesday, I can't wait to see the opening salvo.

 
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muscle1
over 6 years ago

WE WILL SEE IF MR. LEDERER IS SMILING WHEN HE HAS TO COUGH UP 3 BILLION OR SO LOL

 
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muscle1
over 6 years ago

this online ban will become the best thing to happen for poker in quite a while .First off the poker games in the casinos has fallen off the map .T his will force the return of limit poker . THANK GOODNESS !!! lETS SEE HOW GOOD THESE ONLINE KNUCKLEHEADS ARE WHEN THERE NOT HIDING BEHIND A SCREEN OR TEAMING UP WITH FRIENDS ON THE PHONE TO CHEAT U OUT OF YOUR $ .

 
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tiltagree
over 6 years ago

And if you live no where near a Brick and Mortar Casino that charges ridiculous rake and have to pay 4.29 a gallon for gas? Also, what if we lost a ton of money because what we have in our accounts is frozen for the time being and may be frozen for a long time? A .25/.50 game online is just about as tough as a 5/10 game live. Online poker is ridiculously convenient and you get more hands per hour. Why would anyone want to get rid of online poker? If it weren't for me losing money in this whole ordeal and me not being within one hour of a casino, i would love to play. We'll see what happens in the future. I fervently believe this is just the beginning of the battle for online poker.

 
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Killuminati21
over 6 years ago

another play that stinks and couldnt win online what a turd

 
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trentbridge
over 6 years ago

Why the CAPS? If you didn't like online poker, and you didn't play there, why does it bother you so much?

 
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brum747
over 6 years ago

maybe it is good time to go toe to toe without getting help from your sponsored sites all that software BS is just a big oaky doaky i agree with you muscle1 now its face to face then see how many suckouts these online bums get

 
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brum747
over 6 years ago

maybe it is good time to go toe to toe without getting help from your sponsored sites all that software BS is just a big oaky doaky i agree with you muscle1 now its face to face then see how many suckouts these online bums get

 
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tiltagree
over 6 years ago

and if you live no where near a Brick and Mortar Casino that charges ridiculous rake and have to pay 4.29 a gallon for gas? Also, what if we lost a ton of money because what we have in our accounts is frozen for the time being and may be frozen for a long time? A .25/.50 game online is just about as tough as a 5/10 game live. Online poker is ridiculously convenient and you get more hands per hour. Why would anyone want to get rid of online poker? If it weren't for me losing money in this whole ordeal and me not being within one hour of a casino, i would love to play. We'll see what happens in the future. I fervently believe this is just the beginning of the battle for online poker.

 
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brum747
over 6 years ago

but at the same time dont we have killers,rapist,cartels,mafia,and terrorrists running all over and they waste their time on this.even though i support brick and mortor casinos then online,give me a break,go after the real criminals.big waste of time-idiots-

 
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takedown
over 6 years ago

brum747s comment nails the situation here, what evryone should do monday morning is call the white house and demand Obama to stop this shit since it's his branch of the goverment that decides whether or not to support thes assinine laws, MoveOn,org uses this tactic to tie up the phones in Washington and it haa made a difference.

 
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merc130
over 6 years ago

Just sick that full tilt had no warning for american players to take out funds, its a shame..

 
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GTidrag
over 6 years ago

They only went after a few poker sites people, meaning there are still many others that you can still play on, question is, what site(s) will all the U.S players flock to now?

 
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bparmalee
over 6 years ago

My 2 cents is this.... It was bound to happen. Harrahs, MGM and other casinos are lobbying for their own online poker sites. They will shutdown the existing sites for about a year then some type of regulation will get done. The kicker will be that sites not based in the US and that broke the old laws wont be allowed to operate under the new regulations. Clearing the way for Harrahs and MGM to dominate the online gaming market. Just my guess but seems likely. The govenrment will want the tax revenue and the big casinos will get the action they have been missing out on. So untill then.... we wait.

 
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paulstar
over 6 years ago

OBVIOUSLY, BPARMLEE.
IF NOT THAT EXACTLY, SOMETHING CLOSE ALONG THOSE LINES . . .

 
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mago
over 6 years ago

You can bank on it.

 
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mrjimbob
over 6 years ago

Holy Moly, I wish I still lived in Vegas!!!! The games are going to be PHENOMENAL!!!!!!

 
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mrjimbob
over 6 years ago

Holy Moly, I wish I still lived in Vegas!!!! The games are going to be PHENOMENAL!!!!!!

 
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Amalek
over 6 years ago

Easy to get around this.

Get a VPN. This allows you to use a server outside the U.S. so that your IP address appears to be foreign. Then the sites will let you play. You need to immediately change your address to a foreign one. If you don't have a foreign friend, you can make one up, but you will need one eventually to cash out all your winnings.

Good VPN here www.strongvpn.com

 
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Amalek
over 6 years ago

Easy to get around this.

Get a VPN. This allows you to use a server outside the U.S. so that your IP address appears to be foreign. Then the sites will let you play. You need to immediately change your address to a foreign one. If you don't have a foreign friend, you can make one up, but you will need one eventually to cash out all your winnings.

Good VPN here www.strongvpn.com

 
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ShoImpruv
over 6 years ago

So do think Pokerstars or FullTilt will have a problem with sending a check to an American address? Why not get the foreign IP like you are saying, then have them mail your winnings in Canadian dollars, or American dollars if possible, to a American address. Do you think that would work?

 
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Cashewz
over 6 years ago

That won't likely work. Good luck, though.

 
 

vtecvengence
over 6 years ago

WHERE IS THE AMBASSADOR OF POKER AT?

 
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Cashewz
over 6 years ago

I imagine that Mike Sexton is pretty happy that he's a spokesperson for PartyPoker and the WPT - two entities looking at increased participation in light of the events of Black Friday.

 
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vtecvengence
over 6 years ago

HAVEN'T HEARD NOTHING FROM DANIEL. HE IS THE BIG POKERSTARS SPONSORED PLAYER AND NO BLOGS AT ALL? STRANGE DON'T YA THINK?

 
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Cashewz
over 6 years ago

Actually, Negreanu has mentioned on twitter that he's been told by PokerStars not to make any comment on the whole situation for now. As their primary spokesperson, he'll basically do as he's told --- as long as you still want to get paid. Don't forget, PokerStars is still operating in the rest of the world, and Negreanu will still get paid as a highly-recognized international poker celebrity. In addition, it looks like he's been playing with the high rollers at ARIA in Vegas the last two nights.

If you really want his updates, follow him on Twitter. At least he - unlike many pros - has acknowledged what has happened.

 
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Cashewz
over 6 years ago

48 hours into the story, and CardPlayer has one short story about it. No reaction, no analysis, no real followups. Utterly disappointing.

 
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pokerdogtoo
over 6 years ago

Tiltagree you're an idiot if you think a 5\10 live game compares to a .25\.50 online game. First off everyone knows that at any brick and mortar casino across the U.S is where real poker is played. People who play at these live cash games for a living are the real pros. With no rigged software to back you up you wouldn't stand a chance and would end up leaving with a big turd in your pants crying like a little school girl.

 
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drock63
over 6 years ago

Anyone find it funny that Washington D.C. started there own poker site the same week. Corruption.

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/04/17/federal-criminal-hypocrisy-fbi-shuts-down-top-online-poker-sites-just-days-after-washington-d-c-your-congress-legalizes-online-gambling/

 
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dasgate
over 6 years ago

This was passed before the indictment happened. But no, I don't think it has anything to do with it. This has probably been in the process for a very long time, and they just made it public yesterday. The only relation I would imagine there would be is that this is in some way a response to the widespread attempt to legalize intrastate poker by different states. This is going to create a pretty long and intense legal battle. If DC can create its own intrastate poker site then it is only going to serve to help online poker in general.

 
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paulstar
over 6 years ago

No it won't! DC is meaningless compared to all this. Contradiction you are thinking? The entire country is a contradiction from state to state. In one state, you smoke dope at age 11 as police eat a snack in their car across the street, and in another state you get handcuffed for spitting on the sidewalk.
Give me a break. There is not one state's law that is powerful enough to change a federal policy. Contradictions are part of the USA's BS economy and always will be.

 
 

cant_think_for_myself
over 6 years ago

I did notice that , its one way to deal with the competition

 
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cant_think_for_myself
over 6 years ago

I did notice that , its one way to deal with the competition

 
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cant_think_for_myself
over 6 years ago

I live in the united states of america but I need to go to russia if I want to play poker

 
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cant_think_for_myself
over 6 years ago

I will take this time to enter into the 2012 presidential race! Im not going to make a lot of promises in fact none! Im running on my 3 p platform. I will leagalize POT,PROSTITUTION,POKER I will abolish the IRS and go with a consumer tax I will end wars in Iraq Afganny and Libya and the war on drugs. The rest of my term I will review all the nonsense laws in place and repeal them. This will provide an exciting free USA and healthcare and prosperity for all!

 
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ShoImpruv
over 6 years ago

Someone advised using VPN, such as www.strongvpn.com, to disguise your American IP adderess. Seems like an easy work around. The only problem is retrieving your poker cashout winnings.

 
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pisankabang
over 6 years ago

I lived and registered at FT and PS under an American address, but left and have lived in Asia since last October - hadn't bothered to update addresses. I have been informed that I cannot play, as I have a U.S. address - despite that my login IP address is clearly not American. Nor do sites permit you to change address to non-U.S. address. Am still waiting to hear from the sites about making the change....

 
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blegend
over 6 years ago

I don't see how this will help casino poker at all. Whenever I played at a casino it was using online winnings. Also, this will probably crush the WSOP. In the long run, it will hurt and probably crush Vegas because casinos will definitely be losing money and so will hotels, restaurants, and everything else. This benefits no one except the religious nut jobs and the idiots that suck at it and lost a ton playing.

 
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Detroit50
over 6 years ago

Has anyone successfully transferred their balance on Full Tilt to another player? I'm only out 450 or so and I am up thousands since I started but this is a real blow to me. Not the money...I am very comfortable...but the fun of playing 1,2, even 5 buck tournaments. Those of us fighting health issues get alot of very cheap entertainment on these sites and they will be missed. I voted for Obama and would probably do it again but letting his justice department go after on line poker is ridiculous. Just taking a few pennies out of each pot would be worth it for the government..Of course that would take some common sense.

By the way it is the socially conservative republicans that will never let our game be legalized. Our only chance is with the dems controlling congress and the presidency which isnt likely to happen.

At least as a rich guy the GOP wants to cut my taxes again...COOL!!

 
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pocket77s
over 6 years ago

I cannot believe the short-sightedness of the US government. The opportunity for the US like other countries to cash in a mult-million dollar industry and potentially help the country pay down the debt is within its grasp. It is disappointing. There is already so much wrong and corruption in the right wing already and to say that online poker is morally wrong or dangerous to the youth is hypocritical.

 
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Staphylococcus
over 6 years ago

Pretty good Pokerroad podcast on the subject: http://www.pokerroad.com/radio/prr/358

I also find it interesting that nobody is mentioning this angle: http://www.businessinsider.com/boy-genius-online-poker-scandal-2011-4

Regardless of Bush, Frist, or Obama, with the way that Daniel Tzvetkoff handed the inner financial workings of the online poker industry to the DOJ on a silver platter, they (DOJ) would be extremely negligent if they didn't pursue this matter as they are just enforcing the law (UIGEA) albeit a stupid one.

 
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Staphylococcus
over 6 years ago

Pretty good Pokerroad podcast on the subject: http://www.pokerroad.com/radio/prr/358

I also find it interesting that nobody is mentioning this angle: http://www.businessinsider.com/boy-genius-online-poker-scandal-2011-4

Regardless of Bush, Frist, or Obama, with the way that Daniel Tzvetkoff handed the inner financial workings of the online poker industry to the DOJ on a silver platter, they (DOJ) would be extremely negligent if they didn't pursue this matter as they are just enforcing the law (UIGEA) albeit a stupid one.

 
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ncantoral
over 6 years ago

anyone else notice there wasn't any news posted yesterday (Sat)

 
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Pokergenius
over 6 years ago

How come I haven't seen Cardplayer react more to this story? I would assume this would come as a big blow to Cardplayer, Poker-Pro, etc... being that nearly 100% of their revenue comes from advertising by the online poker sites. Well, guess what? There is no reason for these sites to advertise in the U S if the players can't play on them, so could this be the end of Cardplayer and others?

 
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hooligan6275
over 6 years ago

It seems like poker players in the former Soviet Union have more freedom than Americans.

 
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Triple415
over 6 years ago

I can't believe it took this long. Hopefully some of the players who have part ownership in these sites go away for a long time.

 
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jupiter555
over 6 years ago

if you can reach your account (pokerstars) with the vpn-method and want outcash contact me tipwache@aol.com and i try my best..gl to everyone

 
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jupiter555
over 6 years ago

if you can reach your account (pokerstars) with the vpn-method and want outcash contact me tipwache@aol.com and i try my best..gl to everyone

 
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Triple415
over 6 years ago

Anyone claiming to be a "pro" online poker player is just a glitcher with good software. They probably use holdem manager or a bot bare minimum. Looks like they finally caught these cheating sites.

 
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muscle1
over 3 years ago

like the idea of 550 megas the night before the 10k limit events . Alsowish they would have 1k mega like 10am on the day of event for the limit 10k events !!!! Will bring it up to tournament director when i arrive 31st . that probably could get an extra 25 to 35 players into these 10k events which makes huge differance

 
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muscle1
over 3 years ago

Wish they would space the limit events .Seems they are bunched up too early in june and not many late june

 
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