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What’s Your Plan? Flopped Straight, Board Pairs on Turn

by Andrew Brokos |  Published: Feb 04, '13

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What's Your Play?The Game: $1/$3/$6 no-limit hold ‘em. Plays loose-passive pre-flop but gets progressively more tight-passive as pots get larger.

Villain 1 ($1800): Best of the regulars in this Hero’s opinion. He’s 30ish, seems comfortable playing 200+ BB pots when it’s warranted, capable of bluffing, calling down, and folding in spots most others in the game wouldn’t think twice about. Suspects (rightly) that I gun for him sometimes because he’s also capable of folds that others are not.

Hero ($2300): Perceived as recklessly, annoyingly aggressive by the game at large, less so by the Villains in this hand. I think they at least understand why I play the way I do and don’t resent that I raise so much, etc.

Villain 2 ($383): Mid-60s, generally very tight but was caught earlier in the evening in a good-sized bluff. Believes strongly in protecting his big pairs, getting people to fold their draws, etc. I try not to talk about poker or my own background at the table, have never mentioned internet poker, etc. but this guy is always trying to ask me about it.

Pre-Flop: Three players limp, Villain 1 completes for $5 from SB, Hero completes $3 with 6s 5c, Villain 2 checks.

Flop ($27 in pot): 2d 3d 4c Villain 1 bets $20, Hero raises to $70, Villain 2 practically beats me into the pot with a cold call. The limpers all fold, and Villain 1 calls without any deliberation.

Turn ($235 in pot): 2d 3d 4c 4h Villain 1 checks, Hero???

What’s your play now and why? If you bet, what’s your plan if one or both players raise? If you check, what’s your plan if Villain 2 bets (be sure to consider scenarios where Villain 1 folds and where he does not)? Don’t worry too much about planning for the river, I think there are too many possibilities to delve much into that conversation.

I’ll post results and my own thoughts on Friday.

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nyy214
1 year ago

I would bet 150 and call a shove against villain 2 and fold to a raise against villain 1.

I think you are still way ahead of their ranges (straight draws, flush draws, random 4. Someone could have also slowplayed a5 or 56. I think you need to be to get calls from these worse hands. I would call villain 2s shove because it is not much more and he could have slowplayed a straight. I would fold to a raise from villain 1 because i know i would have to put a ton at risk on the river and I could be drawing dead.

If we decided to pot control our hand we might get to showdown and not have to fold against villain 1 who we might have beat. But I think we need to bet the turn because I dont think he raises all that often. We may make a mistake when folding sometimes though. But the times he calls with worse far outweigh the times he raises a worse hand. Finally, I think we need to bet because our hand is vulnerable against almost every hand in his range.

 
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thereyougoagain
1 year ago

i hate the turn only because villain 2 has got me scratching my head with his line thus far and a stack of 380. he could be as strong as 5d 6d or just filled up..i guess he could have 54..at this point in the hand im putting villain 1 on 2 overcard diamonds such as kt, jt, 98, etc...he sounds like a player thatd lead at that flop to take the betting lead and then call your raise and now check the brick turn..im real worried about villain 2 here..hes only got 380 but cold calls 70 on that soaking wet flop, weird. i think hed ship nut diamonds or overpairs. im checking and hating life if vil 2 bets..probably folding if he does, id have a real tough time figuring out a hand we are beating. imo we are only beating 54, hed fold a4 on the flop. hed be full almost every time, check folding to vil 2 turn bet is reasonable.i suppose you could bet 145 and hope to get action from worse hands in vill 2 range such as 54,same hand as you, 32,76 of diamonds or some other hand that we can justify betting into.i love our equity v.s. vil 1 range, but im real concerned with vil 2. lots of variables, interesting spot,looking forward to seeing how wrong i am.lol

 
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eaglestorm76
1 year ago

IM ALLLLLLLLLL IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
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pokereddie
1 year ago

I'm betting $100 although I could live with a check and ride it out. Anything less than a shove from either player and I stay in. If no flush shows on the river I stay in to the end.

 
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popskull
1 year ago

I'm more concerned with V1 than V2. I feel like on that draw heavy of a board V2 would have 3-bet a set, two-pair or made straight to chase draws off, so he's probably drawing himself. I don't know how much I buy it, but I've heard people say quick calls are usually draws anyway. Unlikely but possible he has A5 as well (make sense for his limp-in) and doesn't want to put in a 3rd bet with it.

V1 is a different story. He could have any two cards (except raising hands, I'd assume) and therefore could easily have filled up with 2/4 or 3/4 and I don't think he necessarily comes back at you on the flop with those after V2 insta-calls your raise, so they remain a real threat.

You have to bet this, though, you can't afford to give away a card to a flush draw and at least you might find out where you stand to some larger extent, so I'd say $130-150 is a good size. If V1 raises I'd probably fold. If V1 raises and V2 calls (presumably making him all-in) him I run even faster. I know the odds become more tempting there but I really think we're beat most of the time V1 comes over the top so odds become irrelevant with no outs.

 
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jackson40m
1 year ago

FOLD! FOLD! FOLD!
You've already played like a total DONK with your lame $70 raise on the flop; why blow off most of your remaining stack now?
Learn from your mistake, sir.

 
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Foucault82
1 year ago

Why was the flop raise a mistake?

 
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trentbridge
1 year ago

I'm checking. Three way pot with you holding the most obvious hand after the flop and yet getting two eager callers? Hmmm. As soon as the second four appears, you're in potential "full-house territory". Either with a full-house, can calmly check here, and trap you on the river with a "bluff-type" bet. I debated a bet here to force villain 2 to a decision but what's the point? If he goes all-in - he's unlikely to be bluffing with two pairs although you can make the case that he's got A5. If he folds, Villain 1 is going to re-raise representing a full-house and then you have to decide whether to contribute more chips to what might be a lost cause.

 
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Foucault82
1 year ago

Why are you sure that Villain 1 would check-raise bluff in this spot?

 
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trentbridge
1 year ago

"He’s 30ish, seems comfortable playing 200+ BB pots when it’s warranted, capable of bluffing, calling down, and folding in spots most others in the game wouldn’t think twice about."

Like looking in a mirror, right? He'd do what you'd do..in his place..

 
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Tyler2
1 year ago

I think the flop raise was good because it gave you some information, it let you know that your not the only person with a decent hand in this pot. The board pairing is obviously the worst thing that could happen imo in a raised 3 way pot but your hand is still pretty solid in NLH, If it was PLO you have to check/fold but that could be a really weak exploitable play in a NL Cash game. I am not sure of the exact way to play this but that's why I read your blogs! looking forward to results and your analysis. As it stands I would probably check for pot control and to see if v2 was looking for the paired board. If he bets then v1 either folds, calls or raises and you get to make a better decision with that information. You might be in the middle of a crap sandwich tho gl

 
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swallsjr
1 year ago

i think a flush card hitting is worse

 
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