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He deserved it

by Lee Watkinson |  Published: Oct 09, '09

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Every time I write a blog that contains my world views I get a lot of nasty emails and comments on here saying, in addition to other things, “stick to poker, noone cares what you have to say about other things”. Ofcourse these are people who disagree with me.
I have been playing poker for a long time, and those of you who know me, know, I don’t like telling badbeat stories or bragging about how well I think I played a hand. If there is something in the poker world that is interesting and I have an opinion about, that is what I blog about. I try and tie poker into my blog in some way, but not always.
There are plenty of blogs here on Cardplayer that focus mostly on poker, and I bet you don’t read them, they are boring. You read mine because I only try and write when I have something to say, wether you agree or disagree.
I enjoy Doyles blog, and read them all, mostly for the nonpoker material. There are a couple other blogs I find hit and miss.
Now, here’s what I’ve done pokerwise today. I sat on my couch playing $160 Superturbo Sit-n-Go’s and watching the people on TV denegrating Obama’s Nobel Peace prize untill I felt like putting my 2 cents in and switched to a $5 MTT and started this blog.
Ofcourse he deserves it and I think it is shared by the americans who voted him in. We stopped a Mccain/Palin administration that would have been disasterous. I like Mccain and he is good senator, but would have been a horrible president. Even conservative republican leader Pat Buchanan said that Mccain would make “Dick Cheney look like Gandhi”.
And Palin…that reminds me, those of you that read my blogs, even though you hate what I have to say, do so for the same reason I never change the chanel when they tease a Sarah Palin comment comming up after the break.
Basicly though the international community feels we woke up in the nick of time and saved the world by electing a super inteligent, wise and good hearted man to be president. He has a lot to clean up and before he came on the scene I thought it was hopeless. With his election I now think there is at least a chance.
I am doing pretty well in the $5 MTT so shouldn’t be hurt by sitting out 20 minutes now while I go feed the chimps, wish me luck.

As far as my spelling…blame cardplayer for no spellcheck and my lack of technical knowhow for not writting it elsewhere and transfering it.

Lee Watkinson has accumulated nearly $4 million in tournament winnings over his career. His accomplishments include a World Series bracelet in the 2006 $10,000 pot-limit Omaha event and an eighth-place finish in the 2007 WSOP main event. Lee is a Full Tilt Pro and uses his poker winnings to help a chimpanzee rescue charity. Learn more about Lee at his website, www.leewatkinson.com.

 
Any views or opinions expressed in this blog are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the ownership or management of CardPlayer.com.
 

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hithenose
over 2 years ago

Like the blogs especially the controversial ones not related to poker, and i couldn't agree more about the devaluation of the USD just beginning. Am curious as to why a president being elected merits a nobel prize. And for the record i voted 4 obama.

 
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hitking1
over 2 years ago

You cannot be for real with your oulandish comments. He deserved it??? God bless Obama?? I say God Damn Obama!!!!!! God Damn Obama!!!!!!! He has done nothing in 9 months let me repeat NOTHING!!!!!!!!!! Unless you want to count spending an untold amount of money on his personal adjenda. This guy is nothing but a Chicago thug who is a snake oil salesman and a crook who talked his way into the White House with NO!!!!! experiance at all!! None!! He is a socialist who wants to rewrite my constitution of the United States to benefit whatever program and hitleresque adjenda. This guy needs to be thrown out of the White House and thrown in jail. He is a crook and a nazi and a communist and a racist. FK Obama. I didnt vote for this idiot, and for you minions that did,,, shame on you and now look what youve done.. Lee i though you were smarter than your chimps but i guess not. GIMME BACK MY COUNTRY!!!!!!!!

 
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tonyd1171
over 2 years ago

Lee, I read your blog b/c you are one of the few who are honest, open and dont give a **** if all of your readers agree with you. thats why a do and always will love anything you got to say. if i wanted poker hand word vomit i would follow phil galfond or one of those guys.

i am a smoker and dont agree with your last position, but i do understand y u would feel they way you do.

much love, keep it up

 
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trigs
over 2 years ago

i'm sorry lee, but obama does not deserve the peace prize simply because his election into president stopped mccain and palin. i'm not an expert on how they select the winner, but i'm fairly certain they have to DO something in order to win, not have something be done to them (i.e. get elected).

obama is a WAY better president than mccain would have been (and much less scary for the international community) but he has done absolutely nothing to deserve this peace prize. possibly the worst decision in the nobel's history.

 
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JosephSanchez
over 2 years ago

Nice blog Lee

 
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flyer213
over 2 years ago

First off, hitking1, you are another sad example of ignorance in america. In fact you and your fellow ignorants are like morons who sail into a hurricane only to have their boat engulfed and swallowed by your stupidity leaving you afloat and needing to be rescued. Now you need the Coast Guard to save you from yourself and as that helicopter hovers over you trying to pluck you from your complete failure to think, you and your kind start ranting and blaming the Coast Guard rescuers for causing the hurricane! Yes hitking1, I am saying that President Obama and the majority of Americans are the Coast Guard rescuers and we are trying to clean up the FUBAR crap storm that the Bush/Chaney years and morons like you have have left us in. So I respectfully ask that you shut up and leave us to do our work.

 
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hitking1
over 2 years ago

Hey flyer213, First off you are as ignorant as Lee watkinson. Talk about a sad example of a human being. you take the cake you moron. I DONT WANT GOVERNMENT taking over every thing and doing anything for me, I am more than capable of making a living, paying my mortgage, buying my own car sending my children to a good school WITHOUT OMAMA and his minions just like you butting in. I dont need goverenment help and i dont want government help.. BIG GOVERNMENT << WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!!!! . I guess you need this idiot and his promises to get you through life, grow some nutts and and dont rely on this idiot to give you everything , go work for it, you moron. Typical left winger wanting the government to give you everything because you think youew entitled,, food stamps,welfare, " Obama gonna pay for my house and put gas in my car". IDIOT. All you did was weaken my country by putting this thug in office, THANK YOU and pleasant dreams.. Get back to mean when we have to fight Obama and his "friends" in our country on our soil and tell me how youre doing then.

 
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hitking1
over 2 years ago

Im ashamed to say i enjoy the game of poker with you minions

 
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flyer213
over 2 years ago

hitking1, enroll in a civics class. Watching Glen Beck does'nt count. Gather some information and educate yourself to allow your brain to catch up to your mouth and then you can hopefully "help" yourself from embarrassing yourself further on public forums.

 
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hitking1
over 2 years ago

WoW a Glenn Beck blast,, youre real educated you asstard.I'll debate you any day my friend, now go bow to the holy one (obama) and ask for another handout , you loser

 
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kmpoker
over 2 years ago

Agreed. Obama deserved it for just beating out Mccain/palin. As for the non-poker blog, I love it.

 
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dsgnr4hire
over 2 years ago

why do i get the feeling that i was reading a post from rush limbaugh and/or sean hannity when i read hitking1's? socialist, mobster, communist, marxist, crook and what else are you gonna call obama? and you have the guts to call yourself an american? i bet you were celebrating (just like most of right wingers)when we didn't get the olympics and now you just couldn't stand it when obama won the nobel prize! what a bunch of losers these republicans!

 
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flyer213
over 2 years ago

hitking1, I know details and history confuse you but the hand outs were started by the Bush/Chaney team and given to the Wall Street syndicate heads who were not even begging for the handouts but expecting them. As far as debating you...It would be like debating a squirrel monkey throwing poop from a tree. So again, I respectfully ask that you go do another tea bagging party with you boyfriends and leave us to do our work.

 
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littleze
over 2 years ago

You are famous for being a poker player, not an intellectual.....stick to what you know because you obviously don't know much about Obama if you think he is super intelligent.

 
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Richenough
over 2 years ago

LEE is saying Obama deserved it because Palin/ Mccain adminstration would caused another world war. "McCain makes Dick Chenney look like Ghandhi" thats why Obama deserves it. anyway... I like lee blogs because they are interesting and have hint about poker but talks more about socio-political issues as well.

## they are alot better than daniel Negreanu blogs who likes using sarcasm to get his feelings across about other poker players on cardplayer ###

**** HEY LEE just tell everyone to F*CK OFF !!! **************************************************

 
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joer8052
over 2 years ago

Can Anyone list 3 reasons why Obama deserved to win the Nobel? (rhetoric doesnt count)

 
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driverdon
over 2 years ago

ok i need to know why you think he deserves to win the peace prize just what did he do to win it? not a thing that i can see other than not figure out how to fix the economy or was it the war not won yet or was it not fixing the problems with iran or north korea tell me which problem he was supposed to fix i need to know ohh wait a minute it was that he got elected because the other canidates sucked worse than he did ok that was it wasnt it sheesh i should of known by the way i voted for him in the general election please just write a blog about poker or your life in general and leave the politics to others or quit poker and do alot of reading on the subject cause you dont understand, now i dont know either and wish i had your skills at poker but at least i dont try to B.S. anyone into thinking i do know when i dont thanks for letting me rant don

 
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littleze
over 2 years ago

So McCain/Palin would have continued the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan......Oh wait so has he, so he gets a peace award for continuing two wars??

 
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emetjr
over 2 years ago

Blame Card player because you don't know how to spell! International community thinks we woke up in the nick of time? International Olympic Committee voted Chicago first city out after President Obama's speech. Nobel Peace Committee 5 Norwegians hardly the international community. Previous winners of award Yasir Arafat(he got real close to peace in Middle East),Jimmy Carter(hostages over 1 year,20% Interest,above 10% inflation),Al Gore(Inconvienent Truth more aptly named Convient Lies). Most Americans who voted for Pesident Obama think he deserved it? Sinking poll numbers protests at G20 and recent gay rights march suggest otherwise.
Given these facts don't think this is award to be proud of. It is given by people that dislike America and our way of life.
President Obama is an extremely eloquent and peruasive speaker who will say anything to achieve his own goals. Research how he voted as an Illinios Senator and you will see he doesn't back up his rhetoric.

 
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DiamondDaverlz
over 2 years ago

I'm not sure whether he deserved it or not, but the Nobel Prize has essentially become the Heisman; still covered, media friendly, but essentially not impactful. No offense to Andre Ware or Gino Toretta. I'm writing here because Lee you mentioned that you enjoyed Doyle's blog for his life experiences and non-poker material. I do also and since we can no longer comment under Doyle's Blog I thought I'd comment here. Doyle referenced watching a young man, born with no arms and no legs, speak about his life. This young man's name in Nick Vujicic and I had the privledge of seeing him speak a couple of weeks ago. He has an awesome sense of humor about his disability, from stories about having friends put him in overhead baggage compartments on planes and then close him in, just so he can freak out the next person to open it, to asking stewardesses about upgrades so he can get "extra leg room" to having kids come right up to him and say "what happened?!" He looks at them and says "cigarettes!" A very funny guy with a definately unique outlook on life. His website is life without libs and I'd encourage anyone to check it out to see an amazing individual with an amazing message.

 
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DiamondDaverlz
over 2 years ago

sorry, I meant life without limbs...

 
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clunker
over 2 years ago

Does Pres. Obama deserve the N.B. P. P.? No he does not and even he immediately after the Announcement said he did not. As far as the rest of your diatribe about the lose of your Constitutional Rights and crooks in the Whit House I think you should look at Bush and Cheney 2 men who when they had a chance to fight for America were cowards. Maybe you are 1 of the approximently 5000 young men and women who have lost their lives and all their constitutional rights fighting in a war started by these 2 liars. How about the Patriot Act and the illegal wire taps guess we'll have to rewrite history and blame that on Obama also.there goes your Constitutional Rights circling the drain.And you still enjoy the game of poker hopefully not online thanks to Bush and his minions Leach,Feist and Kyl maybe not for much longer . I Think your main problem is that you hate the idea a Black Man is Pres. of the USA.

 
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diamondchuck
over 2 years ago

YOU OBAMAMANIACS ARE A FUNNY DISTURBED GROUP
America became the great nation it is in only 300 some odd years(surpassing 1000-2000 YO nations)
and we did it using a free market/capitalist system
O said he would "fundamentally change America"
well, thats pretty dumb....improve it yes, make it better yes, but fundamentally change it...
no
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there is not and has not been a successful world power based on a socialist model

so, if you want to become a citizen of a 2nd rate nation please feel free to go to one there are several dozen to pick from

 
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Shillysit
over 2 years ago

What do you call one million men standing with their hands raised above their heads?

The French Military...

Since the beliefs this country were founded upon are so untasteful to you, the embarrassed and devastated libs. have been invited to move to France and join in the socialist funfest there. When the baby carriages you roll up to the front lines don't stand up to the enemy please do us all a favor..don't call the U.S. for help. Call the United Nations..or better yet, the Nobel Peace Committee..

Hard to believe supposedly intelligent, educated people can be so naive..hasn't recent past history taught you anything about fanaticism??

Pick up a history book..a real one this time, not one that says "this never happened", The answers..and real results, are all there.

They always scream the loudest right after they've been run over..amazing.

 
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clunker
over 2 years ago

Didn't realize i was funny or disturbed.America has been on a down hill slope since the Reagan Presidency.Because of deregulation by Reagan Bush 1 Clinton and the totally inept Bush 2 we no longer have any high paying manufacturing jobs in America. We've given the house away so that a few people can get rich in the stock market.America became great because it was willing and able to change from the robber barons of the 19th century to a share the wealth society which we no longer do. Now its all about the survival of the fittest whats in it for me society.So if we don't have some fundamental changes in our thinking and the way we do things you won't have to move to this 3rd world country you are talking about it will be moving to a neighborhood near you . The law of nature adapt or die.

 
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hitking1
over 2 years ago

"Maybe you are 1 of the approximently 5000 young men and women who have lost their lives and all their constitutional rights fighting in a war started by these 2 liar". ???????????? Im trying to remember why we went to war,,,,, OH THATS RIGHT because Obama's friends and family attacked my country on 9/11 and killed over 3000 innocent Americans. Yeah youre right Bush and Chaney should have just let it go and siad please dont do that again. Yeah youre right .,, My apologies

 
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bmpek
over 2 years ago

lee how do you reconcile your blog on the falling dollar and this blog. this adminstration is totally respondsible for what is happening now. the future is even worse high interest rates and hyper inflation. all this good feel spending has a very steep cost asnd we will pay

 
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clunker
over 2 years ago

You are obviously confused Iraq had nothing to do with the World Trade Center attack.It was financed by the Saudi's the majority of the hijackers were Saudi's osama bin ladin is a Saudi.George Bush after the attacks had his picture taken on the White House lawn holding hands with 1 of the Saudi princes . If Bush and Chaney wanted to start a war it should have been with the Saudis but they were to busy getting rich off their oil deals.And we didn't go to war with Iraq because of 3000 American deathes we went to war because Iraq had weapons of mass destruction{THE BIG LIE].As far as your last statement "Obama's friends and family attacked my country 9/11" what country do you live in i missed the news on that one.

 
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hitking1
over 2 years ago

Well clunker , sounds like you need to get YOUR facts straight, The hijackers were financed in part by Saddam Hussein, you know Hussein the same name as your president's middle name, you remember him.We went to war to defend our country, you idiot, and if you would do any research at all youll find that the "BIG LIE" as you call it was actually a result of intelligence first provided by the Clinton administration. I live in the United States of America as least for now. Obama is trying very hard to change that. His friends and family are the ones that attacked this country. Lets close Gitmo, let all the terrorists go, stop the patriot act, get rid of all US security and let Obama and his friends and family have their way with our country. Is that what you wanted to know, fool

 
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hitking1
over 2 years ago

Clunker, here is the link , please watch President Bill Clinton tell everyone that there is CLEAR EVIDENCE that IRAQ has WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. So your transperant attempt to blame Bush2 is without nerit. What's next , try again://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0f5u_0ytUs

 
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clunker
over 2 years ago

I missed another news head line Clinton attacked Iraq under false pretenses.

 
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reverendwright
over 2 years ago

CLUNKER YOU IDIOT.DEREGULATION IS THE BEST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN TO THE COMNSUMER YOU IDIOT.YOU LIKE TO FLY?YOU LIKE USING A CELL PHONE.YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD BE PAYING IF YOU DIDNT HAVE CHOICES YOU MORON.FLYER 213 YOU ARE A GOOF.

 
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reverendwright
over 2 years ago

OBAMA IS SUPER INTELLIGENT?HES A IDIOT.HES A MARXIST,RACIST.WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT OBAMA BEING FRIENDS WITH FARRAKHAN?FARRAKHAN WAS THE MAN OF THE YEAR AT OBAMAS CHURCH.FARRAKHAN SAID WHITE PEOPLE ARE THE DEVIL,HITLER WAS A GREAT MAN,ISREAL SHOULD BE DESTROYED.WHAT HAS OBAMA DONE?NOTHING EVER.OBAMA WAS A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CHICAGO.HE DID NOTHING THERE,THE HIGHEST MURDER RATE IN THE COUNTRY,THE WORST SCHOOL SYSTEM.

 
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reverendwright
over 2 years ago

FLYER213.OBAMAS FRIENDS AT FANNIE MAY AMD FREDDIE MAC ARE WHAT DID THIS TO THE ECONOMY.HE TOOK BIG MONEY FROM THEM SO THEY COULD STEAL OUR MONEY.ACORN.MARK LLOYD,VAN JONES,WILLIAM AYERS,SAUL LANSKY.ALL HIS FRIENDS.

 
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reverendwright
over 2 years ago

CLUNKER.MY FAVORITE PERSON IN POLITICS IS A 68 YEAR OLD BLACK MAN.HE WOULD BE A INCREDIBLE PRESIDENT.WALTER E WILLIAMS.GO TO HIS WEBSITE AND YOU MIGHT LEARN SOMETHING.BY THE WAY CLUNKER,EVRYTIME SOMEONE HATES OBAMA PEOPLE SAY IT'S BECAUSE HES BLACK,WHICH IS TRUE FOR ONLY A SMALL PART OF THEM.WHY DID 98 PERCENT OF BLACKS VOTE FOR HIM?

 
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reverendwright
over 2 years ago

CLUNKER,CLUNKER,CLUNKER,CLUNKER.YOU ARE THE BIGGEST IDIOT ON HERE.1980 THE SOVIETS WERE MARCHING OVER THE WORLD AND THE ECONOMY WAS WORSE THEN NOW.REAGAN SAVED THIS COUNTRY FROM CARTER AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU.YOU SHOW YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HISTORY WHEN YOU SAY REAGAN STARTED DEREGULATION,IT STARTED UNDER CARTER,IT WAS THE ONLY GOOD THING HE DID.YOUR WAY AND OBAMAS WAY OF O COUNTRY TO BE RUB HAS NEVERRRRRRRRR WORKED.WE ARE THE RICHEST MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY EVER BECAUSE OF CAPITALISM,NOT OBAMAISM.

 
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clunker
over 2 years ago

must be the twilight zone

 
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reverendwright
over 2 years ago

CLUNKER.WHAT POLICIES OF OBAMAS ARE THE REASON YOU VOTED FOR HIM?DON'T FORGET TO LOOK TINGS UP BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO IDEA.

 
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clunker
over 2 years ago

Mccain's choice of Sarah Palin a complete sellout to the right wing crackpot fringe of the rep. party cost him my vote.If he had chosen Susan Collins or Olympia Snow 2 very intelligent people for his VP I would have voted for him probably.But these 2 reasonable people didnot appeal to the lunatic part of the GOP People make me laugh he has been President for 8 monthes it took Bush 8 years of incompetence to put America in the hole its in today and you folks want him to fix everything overnight. I usually don't insult people on these boards but your abusive tirades and name calling are hard to take. And even though you have taken the name of his former minister you are probably more comfortable wearing a white sheet and a pointy hat

 
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reverendwright
over 2 years ago

Clunker,you still haven't answered my question.What policies of obama do you like?What makes Palin a crackpot?It was the dems,obamas buddies at fannie mae and freddie mac,and bush spending like a dem to destroy the economy.There you go calling me a member of the kkk because i think obama is a idiot.My favorite person im politics is a black man,Walter E Williams,i would like him to be president.Now what?

 
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clunker
over 2 years ago

typical Conservative reaction you insult people and call them names but become all huffy when a rude remark is made about you.Whether she is or not Palin came off as being dumber then a bag of rocks.Even at the end McCain could not stand her.If the Democratic party put up a canidate so lacking in experience you would go ballistic and with good reason but she was your person so everything is ok. As far as policy I understand that these men will say almost anything to get elected.They have different speeches for different groups so it came down to the possibilty of change vs McCain's bad judgement in picking Palin. If McCain had been elected America would be right where we are today but with a totaly inept person 1 heartbeat from the presidency.

 
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diamondchuck
over 2 years ago

i WILL REPAET

THERE IS NOT AND HAS NOT BEEN A WORLD POWER BUILT ON A SOCIALIST MODEL.......

THERE REALLY ISNT ANYMORE TO SAY AFTER THAT

IF THE LEFT WANTS TO "FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE" AMERICA
IT CAN ONLY LEAD TO 1 RESULT....2ND RATE STATUS

OBAMA IS NOT EVEN GOING TO BE A 1 TERM PRESIDENT....DEMOCRATS WILL START LOSING SEAT IN BOTH HOUSES IMMEDIATELY.....A THAT WILL BE AMERICAS RESPONSE TO OBAMA----FAILURE AND REJECTION

 
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diamondchuck
over 2 years ago

clunker...you are a pearl. even if Palin wasnt a good VP canidate she was a staste Gov...and as such had much more "experience" then the organizer did..

why do you set yourself up for such an easy smackdown???

 
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dsamas10
over 2 years ago

hitking1 says it perfect!!!! Our dollar is virtually worthless. Obama is quickly moving this country into a third world nation.

 
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clunker
over 2 years ago

Palin was the mayor of a 14k pop. town and the gov. of of one of the least populated states in America for 2 years. This does not mean that she has enough experence to be VP as a matter of fact she was nowhere near qualified for the position. By the organizer i assume you mean the President who served 6 years as a state senator and 4 years as a U.S. Senator. Your statement is a completely irrational and insulting statement please don't smack me down any more.As far as America being great we did not achieve greatness until we curb the huge excesses of 19th century capitalism and sprinkled in some socialist programs. Try taking SS away from the old see how far you get. By the way Palin was the Gov. of the most socialist state in the union each citizen gets a handout from the oil companies.

 
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diamondchuck
over 2 years ago

cluncker stop it you sound silly
Alaska is still a state and the Gov is the Gov
alsaka is georgraphically large and must be managed. not sure of population, but you do actually realize that Delaware(Bidens state) is the smallest state in the USA next to RI

 
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keeentd
over 2 years ago

Your points are jumbled, as usual. But I see you're spelling, grammar and punctuation are improving. Not.

 
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clunker
over 2 years ago

diamondchuck palin was the gov. of Alaska which is 70% owned and managed by the federal gov.The pop. of Alaska is 626k the pop. of Del. is783k. what any of this has to do with her ability and experience which she has almost zero i don't know.She came off in the campaign as a not very smart person and i can understand why this would appeal to you. you would not feel threated by someone less intelligent then you .
If you want to be governed by Palin move to Alaska oh wait she resigned after numerous investigations and charges of abuse of power and corruption. The perfect VP no experience abusive and no morals

 
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littleze
over 2 years ago

Clunker, you say Palin has no experience, Obama was a senator for two years is that enough experience to run the whole country? Palin was VP not the pres candidate. You are also forgetting that the war was voted by the majority of congress, not started because Bush gave an order. All the D and R that voted for the war did so based on the same intelligence, you like to claim that Bush made up this intelligence but that fact is none of the people that voted for the war thought there were no weapons including Bush. Regardless of who you think started the recession the fact is there is one, so we could either be responsible and get out of it by letting the market work or spend more and more(which is what Obama is doing) and that is not free, it causes inflation which we will pay for down the line. And you saying that we need socialism b/c things like Social security are what makes us a great nation.....let me tell you something about social security I thought every adult that ever had a job would know, the money you get from social security is your money, money that you paid over your whole working life that the govt gives back to you when you retire. It is not the govt paying for retirement, it is YOUR MONEY. I am not for McCain or Obama, they are both fools. We didn't lose all the manufacturing jobs because of the govt, we lost them to competition. Capitalism works, hand outs don't work...work hard and get what you need. Don't expect the govt to give it to you.

 
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clunker
over 2 years ago

Bush was the Pres. of the US at the start of he Iraq war he had intelligence info from the CIA that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction but choose to ignore this data and
instead to mislead Congress.Bush spent more money on bailouts in the last few months of his Presidency that Obama has so far in his.The free market will take care of itself[can you say Enron,Worldcom,and to many others to mention]and my favorite thieves AIG who took billions in hand outs and then used that money to pay themselves billions in bonuses.Companies that are privatively owned deserve free market status and should be lightly regulated companies who sell stock to the public need to be heavily regulated to protect the stock holders because if anything has been shown it is that these companies will screw the stock holders every chance they get. America became truly great when a balance between capitalism[80%] socialism[20%] was arrived at without this balance you and I would still be working for the company store living in a shack. SS is going bankrupt because after the 1st 2 years of collecting people are getting somebody who is still working and paying in money.As far as these men being fools they are really decent human beings trying to do and almost impossible job governing a sea of fools

 
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littleze
over 2 years ago

YOU used SS as an example of how socialism is needed and good, now you are bashing it.....ok we agree social security is dumb. It says we don't trust you to save for your own future so we will do it for you then they screwed it up. You comments about SS sound like a responible and economically conservative viewpoint. Next, Congress had all the same info Bush did, so I don't know where you get that stuff that he hid some secret files. If you are against the war fine but the fact is we are fighting the terrorist in Iraq and Afghanistan instead of on the streets of the USA. The "bailouts" as you call them under Bush, the Tarp money are loans that are going to be paid back. Obama is spending money on programs in a way that is trickle up, his redistribution of wealth punishes business and rewards the lowest income earners that is not sustainable. As for those companies you mentioned lets go one by one. What happened with Enron was criminal, people inside the company committed severe crimes...they are in jail for it. It has nothing to do with the govt and everything to do with bad people screwing over others for their own gain. Crimes of this nature are not preventable by the govt, the answers is to prosecute offenders which happened. Worldcom similar story, there will always be people in govt and business that are evil and break the laws for their own personal gain. It is not part of Capitalism, it is illegal and also hurts the free market. As for AIG, they had in their contracts that they get those bonuses and the govt agreed not to violate those contracts-as contract law is one of the most important and basic of laws used to govern. Wether or not you think they deserve those bonuses, they had contracts that promised them those bonuses. What somebody makes is non of your business, those high level wage earners are the ones that pay the majority of taxes. Without them where would the govt get the money to spend? I did not say govt should not be involved in regulation of business. I agree public companies should be regulated, all the bad evil companies you named were done by criminals, not capitalism. Maybe you should look up Capitalism before you respond to this b/c your last response has nothing to do with the point you are trying to make, just distractions. Good luck.

 
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reverendwright
over 2 years ago

CLUNKER,I AM NOT A BIG BUSH FAN.YOU SHOW YOUR STUPIDITY BY BRINGING UP IRAQ AS ALL BUSH FAULT.HERES A QUIZ FOR YOU.WHO SAID THESE QUOTES?WE CANT CONTINUE TO LET HUSSEIN KEEP DEVELOPING HIS WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION,1998?ANSWER-BILL CLINTON. HE WILL REBUILD HIS WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND USE THEM AGAIN SOMEDAY,1998?SANDY BERGER SECURITY ADVISOR TO CLINTON. SADDAM HUSSEIN HAS CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION,THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT,2002?NANCY PELOSI. THERE IS UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE SADDAM HUSSEIN IS WORKING AGRESSIVELY TO BULID NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND WILL HAVE THEM WITHIN 5 YEARS,AND WE HAVE ALWAYS UNDERESTIMATED HIS BUILDING OF WMDS,2002?JAY ROCKEFELLER DEMOCRAT WEST VIRGINIA.

 
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reverendwright
over 2 years ago

SOME MORE.WE KNOW HUSSEIN CONTINUES TO ATTEMPT TO BUILD NULEAR WEAPONS AND WE DONT KNOW WHEN HE WILL HAVE THEM,2002?JOE BIDEN.I CAN SUPPORT ACTION AGAINST HUSSEIN BECAUSE ITS IN OUR LONG TERM INTEREST TO DO SO,2002?HILLARY CLINTON.THIS IS A GREAT ONE,WHO SAID THIS?SERVING ON THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE AND SEEING DAY AFTER DAY AND WEEK AFTER WEEK PROOF OF HUSSEINS WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION,HE CAN NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAVE THEM,2003?JOHN EDWARDS.

 
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reverendwright
over 2 years ago

CLUNKER YOUR VIEW ON 80 TO 20 AND THEORIES ABOUT REGULATION ARE REDICULOUS.THERE ARE BAD COMPANIES SOME TIME.THERE IS NOTHING WORSE THEN FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC AND THEY WERE CONTROLLED BY THE GOVT.

 
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clunker
over 2 years ago

littleze in 1935 ss was a good idea and a necessity.In 2009 SS is an unsustainable burden which must be changed.In 1935 life exp. was 61 yrs 2005 life exp 78 years. 1950 16 people payed in to SS for every 1 retiree 2008 3.3 pay in for each retiree.As i said earlier adapt or die it the law of nature.Every society needs certain social programs during certain times during there history should these programs go for ever no ,only as long as they are necessary.As far as Enron Worldcom and other crooked companies executives stealing the company wealth and everybody else is left broke and they go to jail for a year or so and come out with a few 100 million in the bank or hidden offshore where do I sign up. It's my business what Aig executives do with the bailout money because in part it is my tax $ funding these bonuses being payed to these people who were responsible for AIG's problems what did they do to deserve these bonuses because of their incredible greed they bankrupted the co. . If they want to take that attitude I as a tax payer take the attitude let them sink and go out of businss.

 
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clunker
over 2 years ago

2nd I know you are just going to ignore the facts and make some insulting name calling in capitals statement rev.but here goes last time. Valiere Flame outed as CIA agent by Robt Novak who was given this highly classfied info by scooter Libby who received it from Dick Cheney.Why you ask [then again you don't want real facts].Well it seems that Flame's husband Joseph Wilson in a july 6 2003 article in the NYT recounted his findings about "The Niger Uranium Forgeries".After being sent to Niger in Jan. 02 to ivestigate reports that Iraq[Hussein]had tried to buy 500 tons of yellowcake uranium from a company in Niger.His investigation and others came to the conclusion that no such attempt happened.In Oct. 2002 CIA Dir. George Tenet informed Natl. Sec. Adv. Stephen Hadley that Mr. Bush should remove any reference to claims of Iraqi attempts to buy nuclear fuel because the CIA had come to the conclusion that it did not happen.Mr Bush ignored this intelligence info and in his State of the Union address of Jan. 23,2003 made reference to the alleged attempt.Most of your quotes are by people who were depending on the Bush administration for accurate info which they were not given.According to your last tirade i guess we should have laws against murder robbery or pedophilla we shouldn't try to regulate these actions

 
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clunker
over 2 years ago

I guess we should not have lawsagainst

 
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littleze
over 2 years ago

I set you up, I knew you would go to laws against murder and rape....you are missing the point. We do have laws against murder and rape and corporate crimes such as the crimes committed by Enron and Worldcom execs, if you don't agree with the punishment that is fine, I don't agree with their punishments either. I think they should be shot in the head but guess what, we don't do that in the country. And guess what else Enron did go out of business, they did sink and unfortunately they took a lot of people with them. That is terrible but like I said the 1st time it was because of criminals, not capitalism. It's like those people who bomb abortion clinics in the name of religion, do you blame religion? or do you blame the criminal? Do the execs at AIG deserves bonuses for failing, I say no but their CONTRACTS say yes. My opinion doesn't matter even as a taxpayer because they have LEGAL CONTRACTS and since you are stressing the important of laws that should mean something to you. But it doesn't, you only seem to care about what you think and not what the law says in that case. And you are still bashing SS which was your example, I think SS is dumb and is a way of telling people we don't trust you with your money. Its govt trying to control people for their own good as they see it. So thanks for giving further example of how socialism doesn't work. You are more than welcome to give another example since we both agree SS is a failed form of socialism.

 
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TXMaxx
over 2 years ago

osama bin obama is a commie, bad for the country, bad for the people...well unless you are a commie or socialist...he has never accomplished anything but lying to the American people...he was elected with millions of foreign terrorist dollars...SO Lee until you know what you speak of...stick with poker...good luck with that!

 
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MrGranger
over 2 years ago

"He deserved it"
"the international community feels we woke up in the nick of time and saved the world by electing a super inteligent, wise and good hearted man to be president"

Hopefully, for your sanity's sake, you're just kidding. That can't be anything else than ironic, right?
This nobel prize is the second biggest joke ever, after giving it to Al Gore two years ago.
Who the fuck you think you are to say that you "SAVED THE WORLD". I had to read that 3 or 4 times to see if there was a hidden joke (English is not my first). But I couldn't see it.
Obama did not do anything so far, which is normal (and you should be thankful for it) as he hasn't had time enough to do anything.
THe Nobel community is 3/5 socialist. Contrarily to what was said, it was not given unanimously.
AFAIK, the US are still in war in Irak and n Afghanistan. Hopefully for the western world, Obama won't prevent the United Nations to do something about Iran. Hopefully for the western world, the US will stay in Afghanistan. Hopefully for the western world, Obama will keep fighting terrorism wherever you find it.
Unfortunately, I don't think Obama cares about the western world. He cares about implementing socialism in one of the last free countries in this world.
He cares about pleasing Muslims because he's deep at heart muslim.
Islam is the worst religion to have been around in this world. It's not even close to any other religion. And it can't mix with western societies. Just have a look at what happens in France for example. The nicer he'll be with Islamic nations, the deeper the US'll be in trouble!

Yeah, Mr Watkinson, thanks for having elected this "brilliant" man! He's our saviour! Thanks to him, in 20 years time, the US will be the next Europe.
Hopefully, americans will come back to their senses and not re elect him. Which can save the US AND the western world. And this time, this is no joke.

PS: I can see that you read comments, as you used one of mine (the "stick to poker" thing).
So hopefully, you'll read this one as well.
So let me tell you this: if you want to come to France and see what socialim is all about, please be my guest. I'll show you around Paris. And you'll see my tax statement. And you'll see who comes freely to my country. And I'll get into specifics about how things work around here, and not only in France but in Europe as well, as I lived in different countries before to move back to Paris. You'll see how brilliant our social security system is and what magnificence it brings to French workers. You'll see what are the awesome consequences of this amazing system.
Again: be my guest. I'll teach you about foreign affairs, as, like most typical americans, you seem to know nothing about it.
"saved the world"... So egotistic. So pathetic. So ignorant... I still can't believe someone with half a brain could have written that...

 
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MrGranger
over 2 years ago

also, before anyone says: "you wrote saved the world if we don't reelect him" and just after "I cant believe someone with half a brain could have written that". Just to make things plain and simple, the "This is no joke" was ironic.
Cheers

 
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reverendwright
over 2 years ago

MRGRANGER.YOU ARE THE MAN.ABSOLUTE JOKE THAT PIECE OF SHIT SOCIALIST ANTI AMERICAN RACIST WON THE PEACE PRIZE.IT MEANS NOTHING ANYWAY,ESPECIALLY AFTER GIVING IT TO THE NUT AL GORE.THEY ALMOST COULDN'T PLAY BASEBALL IN NEW YORK LAST NIGHT BECAUSE OF THE COLD.

 
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clunker
over 2 years ago

OK Littleze i don't understand what trap of yours I fell into or how you set me up since it was quite obvious I was responding to another post by a dfferent person. Also please stop claiming I am now bashing SS because i point out what has happened,that SS has morphed into something it was never meant to be a retirement fund for all.SS was spppose to be insurence for the elderly[ 1935 50% of all elderly people were broke] many were in this position because the greatest Capitalist experiment of all the stock market wiped out their life savings. Now before you go off on me I do think the stock exchanges do produce wealth they also produce poverty.In todays world the exchanges are not much more then casinos for the wealthy and dreamers . So if you want to gamble there okay and if you get wealthy great for you and if you end up broke don't ask for help.In realty SS is a great success story.

 
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clunker
over 2 years ago

Contracts: Why should the America taxpayer pay these boneses. The people at AIG because of their greed, and just plain crookedness broke whatever contracts they supposedly had. Businesses sign contracts everyday and don't live up to them if the going gets tough just declare bankruptcy stiff everyone you owe money to ,declare your stock worthless, and issue new stock[Sears Co = Sears Holding Co]what a great system.Guess the only time a contract is valid is when the taxpayers have to ante up.

 
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littleze
over 2 years ago

Now you are saying SS is a great success right after saying that is doesn't work?? do you even realize what you are typing? You are also saying it was meant to be one thing but became another. That is what the govt does, they start off saying they want to do one thing, then they make it bigger and bigger and pour more and more of our tax dollars into it. SS is a ponzi scheme, plain and simple. The same thing that is illegal for you or me to do but it is ok because the govt runs it. And you said it right, people lost all their money because they gambled it in the stock market and it crashed, that is their fault and the govt trying to fix it only made it worse...SS as for contracts, they people at AIG didn't do a good job but they still had the bonuses in their contract. I don't see why that is so hard to understand. I don't want my tax money going to them but they are legal contracts, and bankruptcy is also within the law. It is not a loophole. It is part of our over bearing govt's laws. And as they liquidate the business the money doesn't go to the CEO, it goes to the people that they had CONTRACTS with first. Any judge in the country would enforce a legal contract between private citizen, companies, and such. Give me those example I asked for of why Socialism is good, and what socialist programs in the US work.

 
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clunker
over 2 years ago

you seem to only pick and chose your points you make broad statements about SS being no good no reasons.It's a Ponzi scheme they take my tax dollars so they take your tax dollars to flush down the military industrial complex,they give your tax dollars to companies to move American jobs overseas,they use your tax dollars to fund all kinds of idiot projects 100's of millions of dollars called earmarks to build roads and bridges to no where. I understand that Conservatives cannot understand why people are poor its is always the poor persons fault that they are poor they don't want to work they are lazy its always their fault just black and white no gray no mitigating circumstances,Maybe and illness to a family member wiped out whatever they had saved maybe they could not afford a great college education and ended up in a low paying job but managed to survive and not be a burden on society for the 1st 65 or 67 years of there lives. For the last time SS was not meant to be paid to every person reaching retirement age it was meant to help those who were in need not some multimillionaire who because he paid in thinks he should get back so that he can fill his gas or whatever. SS is a great program if it is administered in the right way and people who actually need help get it not every Tom ,Dick and harry.I would imagine even you who seem sensible would admit that there are poor people in America what would you like to do with them let them starve.Another socialist extravagance is public education maybe we should do away with that also.

 
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clunker
over 2 years ago

I can't understand why you keep insisting that AIG had a legal contract. If 2 entities enter into a contract and 1 party by deceit thievery crookedness breaks that contract any sane judge who isn't on the take would nullify that contract.You begrudge people who worked their whole lives and did the best they could with what they had a meager amount of money so they can have a halfway decent end life but you see nothing wrong with a bunch of rich corp. crooks filling their pockets at the tax payers expense.

 
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clunker
over 2 years ago

Fire Dept,Police Dept. Armed Forces Veterans Administration, Public Education Public Hospitals these are all socialist programs paid for with tax payer $ for the betterment of society.

 
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michigan123cl
over 2 years ago

F-full tilt - They have sent me 2 bad cashout checks and will not answer my e-mails.scam.

 
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MrGranger
over 2 years ago

Dear Mr Watkinson, you should take a look at this:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6867711.ece

Maybe you'll change your judgment about the "international community blablabla"... I don't think so 'cause you're too intoxicated to open your eyes but I give it a shot anyway

This is ONE of MANY international papers where authors are like "LOL" about this Nobel Prize.
Get out of your Ivory Tower dude. GET REAL.

 
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MrGranger
over 2 years ago

by the way, just in case you thought that I looked over the internet for hours and hours to find something that's not in "Obama Magazin for real fans" and which states that this nobel prize is a joke, it's just that I didn't want to translate other articles in English and I just found this one by reading a French blogger...

 
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