Obama's mistake

Saying Michael Vick would kill a man if he could get away with it is horrific. Just because his compassion for animals may fall way short of yours does not mean he does not value human life. Some people may think I'm a animal hating monster because I eat meat and use leather products. I understand that. However, if those people said I would kill a man because I eat animals it would be crossing the line in my book.

Everyone has a different level respect for the lives of animals. Some people wouldn't swat a fly, others have bear heads hanging on their walls. These differences are often culturally based and shaped by the environment in which we live. In America we have tons of dog lovers but there are certain parts of the US where dog fighting is not all that rare. The fact is that Michael Vick is from one of those places and he fell into the subculture of dog fighting.

Unless you are from where he is from and grew up in an environment where dog fighting was normal, you can't really judge him. Many people in the US had never even heard of dog fighting, how can you compare them with someone who grows up in a place where it is accepted? Maybe if you grew up in a place like that you'd speak out against it and go against the crowd, maybe not.

BTW saying "it wasn't drugs or guns" as if guns and drugs are somehow a lesser evil is disturbing. People very close to me have lost their lives to both of those things. Both kill people by the dozens everyday. Human lives. I can't really think of 2 bigger problems we have in America than guns and drugs. You can say what you want about Michael Vick, he has never hurt another human being.

I agree with your comments about Michael Vick. You can tell a lot about a person by how they treat animals. He abused, maimed and tortured sentient creatures for his own amusement. You can't get much lower than that. People like him are beyond rehabilitation. I'm upset he's back in the NFL, and embarrassed and disappointed Obama praised the decision.

You totally KNOW he has a fighting ring in the Whitehouse bunker.

I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with which is worse, the nature of dog fighting, or anything of the sort. I just am wondering as to the evidence presented by Lee in the above post; I personally have never seen or heard anything about Vick "strangling a dog with his bare hands"? I was just wondering if this is fact that is on record, newspaper, television, etc? If it is I would greatly appreciate a link to such information; if not I do not believe you can associate his behavior of participating in dog fights to that of a psychopath.... for what its worth.

Lee, you need to just step away from poker. Step down from Carplayer, step down from FTP poker. He killed a couple dogs Boo whooo! Unless you are the perfect person do not judge Vick. He paid his time, leave him alone. He may have admitted to strangling and drowning six dogs but it did not say he injoyed it. At this time I am buying a vick jersey and sending it to you.

lee wake up and take a deep breath . obama has done nothing for people who work for a living or smmall bussince. if yore part of the 150 million parsites in this country who are being supported by goernment in one form or anther then you love him. why not be a cop or firemen in las vegas and retire at age 55 for over 100,00 a year ewith 3 t0 5 percent increases every year and the hell with working people loosing their homes obama must go in 2012

Hey bmpek, how about you use spell check for the next post there buddy!!!

Lee, you're a gentleman with a good heart. With that being said, you really have no clue about, well a lot. Continue to save the world 1 monkey at a time.

Letting Obama run the country is somewhat like letting Vick take care of your monkeys Lee. Would you really let that happen?? Different when it's so close to home now isn't it?

@LeeW

I am still very much a supporter of President Obama. I think he has been doing an incredible job...

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If you mean an incredible job like passing a so-called health care reform law that 60% of the people are against, that over 700 businesses have waivered out of and a majority of states have filed lawsuits to reverse then I guess Obama's done something -- TO us, not FOR us.

Prediction: Jimmy Carter will rise from the ashes to be second-worst president of all time. Who will be at the bottom? You know.

(FWIW, we don't agree politically but I still like your blog.)

@imalittlefish

Hey bmpek, how about you use spell check for the next post there buddy!!!

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Spell checkers only work when you're sober. :)

For the money that Obama spent, every US citizen could have received about $22,000. Think about what a single parent family of 8 living in a small shotgun house could do with their share. ($176.000). Imagine what would happen to the economy if everyone had an extra 20K to donk off. Instead, we will all have to pay back a lot of money, that we received no benefit from.

With all of the debt we have created, you would think someone would know where the money went. I talk with business people all of the time, and NO ONE I have ever spoken to has received any of this money, other than the joke stimulus check.

Wake up Lee. Even my African American friends know Obama and his friends are scooping all of the cheese. They are no different than the white politicians. They are not here to pay your rent. Anyone who gets that high in politics makes M Vick seem like a saint.

As to your statement “I think he has been doing an incredible job”, please give a little more information. All of the blind supporters say the same thing, but can not give any facts. Please tell everyone about some of these incredible things Obama has done.

Listen, I supported Obama for president at first... I am happy and proud to say he is our First "sort of" Black President.

>> Obama is really just a puppet... simply put.

If you thought he chose dogs because he could get away with it, than why would he choose an animal that is a pet, and an important part of American culture?

If in your opinion, that is the ONLY reason he chose dogs,why wouldnt he choose cockfighting? or lizards? or alligators? Surely it would be easier to get away with lizard fighting, than dog-fighting, correct? If you cannot understand the cultural significance and effect on WHY he chose to do that, than it is not something you will ever understand. It is not being an apologist on the crime, it is accepting that not everyone grows up in a lilly white world where you are shown the right choices to make everyday, without every experiencing the wrong ones for yourself. He did something horrible, and lost everything for it. He went to a federal penitentary and did his time...he rebuilt his life and is moving on.

What is the worst thing you have done in your life, Lee? Have you ever drove drunk? Ever put the lives of OTHER humans at risk with your irresponsible behavior? Im sure we all have...which makes it hysterical to hear someone try and make the case that he would do this humans, when in all reality, you have probably done things just as bad to other people.

And what exactly has Obama done? He is nothing more than a glorified Public Relations representative of America. He speaks well, but has done nothing of importance in terms of helping America out of one of the worst economical times in our country's history.

Instead of striving to get people jobs, he has made it easier to scam the system and be professionally unemployed. Why not? When you have the working people paying for your health care, unemployment benefits get extended, and welfare is as easy as popping out a kid for 3 years straight.

Just wonder how you feel about the wonderful tradition of the rodeo where all animals are treated as entertainment for our amusement?

Seriously you need to listen to your self. I am a dog lover also so there is bias, but if you are going to put yourself out there in a public forum at least make a relevant point. To think that humans and dogs are on the same level is psychotic, just because you have an attachment to some dogs stronger than you have to a person doesn't mean that the life of a dog is equal to that of a human. If it were cock fighting would you be as angry, no because you are not attached to them as you are to dogs.....

Nothing in my blog equated dogs to humans. I said that anyone that enjoys strangling and drowning dogs, would probably prefer human victims if they weren't afraid of consequnces.
It is not like he was just caught at dog fights. I could understand that being ignorance and a product of his upbringing.

Hey Fred if you don't like it here then why don't you get the hell out. Taking shots at Americans is pretty funny considering your defending the toilet of the world. Lebanon has contributed what to the world exactly??? Geez I'll bet that Liberal Lee will come to your rescue here now won't he.......

hey lee,

first of all i want to say i think the multi entry tourney thing on FT is frickin genius. pure action i love it.

just one question. how do you protect vs collusion? One of the built in protections against collusion in a tourney is if one player dumps his stack to another then one of the players is out. but if you have two (or more) players who are on the same "team" and they have multiple entries, when at the same table they can dump their stacks to each other and not get knocked out, because they have entries at other tables.

any thoughts on this?

thanks

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Obama has done nothing for this country except spend money we dont have and put the country into huge amounts of debt that will take years to get out of if ever.

That being said michael vick is a piece of shit who electrocuted dogs scrotum's for fun. I think it really shows a lot about you as a person if you support a guy like that.

oh how ironic. The stimulus that Obama spent along with the Stimulus Bush started according to all in involved actually saved the entire country as well as the world from spiraling into a depression. And if you actually looked at any economic metrics instead of simply repeating nonsense from teabaggers you would see that since Obama took office, the stock market has sky rocketed, the rich have kept their tax cuts, and corporations have been recording record profits. Obama is actually one of the most economically successful Republican Presidents of all time. And he is not the lone reason we have debt. It is every sitting politician in the is country. They are all complicit. They are all assholes and they are all war criminals.

is there really a debate about michael vick? we pay this man millions a year to play a sport in which grown "straight" men dress in tights and "pound" each other into the ground. Football players are generally left crippled after their pro careers. So you encourage and pay these men their entire lives to be monsters and then when they act like monsters off the field (which should not be surprising) you get all testy. Funny that there is more concern for dogs then there is for the men who tear each other to shreds week in and week out for the NFL (the most lucrative sports organization in the world).

Lebanon gave us the kebab!

"We must fight against the spirit of unconscious cruelty with which we treat the animals. Animals suffer as much as we do. True humanity does not allow us to impose such sufferings on them. It is our duty to make the whole world recognize it. Until we extend our circle of compassion to all living things, humanity will not find peace." Albert Schweitzer Nobel Laureate 1952

You are an idiot. Obama is the worst president since Carter. He wants to control every aspect of your life. He is as close to a commie as we have ever had. Thank God he will be gone in two years.

Stick to something you are good at Poker and leave the politics to people who know what they are talking about.

You are an idiot. Obama is the worst president since Carter. He wants to control every aspect of your life. He is as close to a commie as we have ever had. Thank God he will be gone in two years.

Stick to something you are good at Poker and leave the politics to people who know what they are talking about.

Lee, im not going to have a cheap shot like many of the others. But i feel you missed the point in Obama's sentiment. Vick starting for the Eagles represents rehabilitation, as leader of a great nation that is something which must be encouraged. Many people make great mistakes, some of which they will regret and will pay for, for the rest of their lives. Seeing Vick (a well known public figure) sends the message that sometimes people get a second chance, and to never lose hope no matter how dark your situation seems. Thats what Obama was trying to highlight, not that he is a fan of Vicks rushing yards or of creulty to animals!!

I understand that your strongly against Vicks crimes, and it dosnt matter about your social circumstance creulty to animals is just plain sick!!! However in certain places, gambling is seen as shamefull and is also against the law. You think gambling is ok, and dog fighting is bad, others may feel the opposite. Some people support Obama, others dont. The point is that if somebody has been found guilty and served their time, they have the constitutonal right to a second chance, Vick is simply a good example of this. Would you agree?

L2K4FC, yeah i hear ya man. I would never try to defend Vick for his actions, however whether you class burglary and dog fighting as being equally as serious as pedophilia, murder and rape is open for debate??!!!
They are all crimes i understand, and laws are there to protect people. Do you really want to live in a society with no second chances for anybody?? Once somebody goes down the wrong path and gets involved with any crime, should they be locked up for life or given the death penalty?!!
The justice system is far from perfect but without the idea of rehabilitation it simply would not work. Im not defending Vicks crimes at all, i am simply defending Obama's message that sometimes people who have made mistakes in life can learn from them, change and re-enter society.

I feel that Michael Vick is inferior to me, as a living, breathing thing or being. Therefore, I will strangle and drown his living, breathing body. I feel it is only right and fair, just like he did with those dogs.

Oh by the way, I am not american, so who's this Michael Vick anyway? Seems like a miserable piece of shit that should be offed asap.

I never said nor implied that i would forgive all criminals "across the board" once they have served their time dude!!! Neither did i say you should apply equal treatment to all criminals!!
Different crimes deserve different punishments.
This blog post was not about Vicks crimes!! It was about Obama supporting his faith in the justice system. Thats the point i was making

its a fucking dog. we are talking about animals that eat their own shit. c'mon now. any importance you place on dogs is completely misguided insecurity and lack of love from elsewhere. they are dogs for christs sake.

and all that $$$ obama is spending, 40 cents of every dollar is being borrowed !!!! who is going to pay that back??? he put us in a hole we may never get out of.. we need to cut back on spending not give more wellfare...

I come to CardPlayer because I like reading poker news as well as informative blogs about POKER. Save us your political views and personal opinion of Michael Vick. How about actually writing about your poker experiences, recent results, etc. instead. Find another forum to post this and start blogging about poker.

But since you have chosen to write about this pointless topic, I guess I will retort. Obama has NOT done a incredible job, pay attention to what's really happening. He has done the opposite of almost all of his campaign promises, spent tons of money bailing out our corrupt banking system as well as allow the Fed to receive over a trillion dollars from the U.S. Treasury and then sit in front of Congress and blatantly refuse to tell them how the money has been spent. It sickens me to see so many people thinking of Obama as the "savior" of our country that haven't taken the time to do independent unbiased research into what he has actually done for us. And also, what bothers me about this is that our President doesn't need to be spending his time speaking publicly about things like the "stupid" cops from Cambridge, his pick to win the NCAA men's basketball tournament, his opinions on Michael Vick, etc. And now he's even got a big interview with Bill O'Reilly that's part of the Super Bowl broadcast? Ridiculous. He keeps himself in the media as much as possible for whatever reason he can think of and, in my personal opinion, worries way to much about what people's opinion of him is when what this country really needs is a leader who can make the hard choices to bring our country back regardless of how it will be publicly perceived.

Poker has a pretty good and straight forward set of rules that makes interesting topics not that easy to come by. Look up the definition of a blog, it is just the bloggers thoughts and oppinions. I think a lot of other poker players enjoy discussing/arguing various topics with other poker players. It's kind of like the guy at the table that dosen't want anyone to talk about anything but poker, cause "we're here to play poker." What in the poker world do you think would be an interesting blog topic? I am always looking for ideas.

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it is hilarious that there could exist a person who is smart enough to realize there are forces much stronger than politicians who run this country and at the same time believe that we need a better politician to run this country. If politicians don't run this country than it makes absolutely no difference who is elected.

as a side note, one thing that surely does not help is the simple mindedness of anti-semites like freddy deeb 2012. Hitler would be proud that you have joined in his views of hatred toward the jews. You are in great company.

heres a litmus test to see if you are on the right side of an issue. Look around and see who else shares your views. for example, while i think labeling yourself democrat, republican, or independent or tea-bagger is a complete waste of time, if you were to choose, you could use this test very quickly. So you say you want to be a republican? Congratulations you now share the same thoughts as all the slave states. And we all know how adept they are at being on the right side of an issue.

there is no question that banks in general have a stranglehold on many aspects of this country and historically there have been jewish families and individuals involved with banking. But to simply blurt out a slur like "our kosher friends" is both ignorant and irresponsible. Ever hear of Deutsche Bank (most famous for financing the construction of auschwitz)? There are plenty of people in this world that are pulling strings that are not jewish.

and finally for those of you who are obsessed with labeling things as socialist, hell bent on proving that spreading the wealth destroys competition and economic achievement, and love to watch huge men in tights lay on top of each other, you will enjoy this.

http://rackjite.com/archives/6409-Bill-Maher-New-Rules,-NFL-SOCIALISM,-January-28,-2011.html

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@LeeW
If the GOP wants to get rid of the mandate(which I too oppose) in "Obama care" thats easy, add the public option...

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Obama reminds me of a degen poker player who only knows one move: "all in."

The government runs lots of things and almost all are failures. Our kids aren't getting a proper education via the Education Department and the Energy Department hasn't produced any energy. The US military is a success but only because we pay a hell of a price (it's worth it) to get the job done. The government has had a healthcare plan in operation for 45 years and it's going broke. Why should we believe that suddenly the government can do what it never has been able to do before?

Just say "all in" and throw more money at it -- until you're totally bankrupt.

am i the only one who thinks its hilarious that slave staters believe that constitutional amendments cannot be amended? Amendments are ratified when the constitution needs to be updated with the times. Thank god the last one was made as recently as 1992 and that was for congressional pay (essential for our country's survival) the one before that was 1971. Are you fucking kidding me? How the hell can we expect to stay competitive and educated when we base our way of life on a document that has the majority of its amendments ratified in the 1700's? It makes no sense. This is how arcane laws like UIGEA get pressed through. Based on laws that were created before computers existed. Basing our future on such antiquated thoughts is insane. It would be like if i based my whole life on a book that was written 6000 years ago by a magical being. No one would ever take me seriously. Oh wait. Never mind. If i talked about a book like that a lot i could actually become president of the most powerful nation in the world. This is what happens when you say stuff like "to each his own" or "never talk about religion" or "you can believe what you want to". BULLSHIT. Those ideas were ok in the past. But right now. If we want to survive we can no longer allow grown adults who appear to be normal believing in make-believe shit. It does not allow for growth. It certainly is the number one reason why the constitution will never be changed under the current conditions.

our constitution and country were not designed to support 300+ million people. No gvt program can work, No government can succeed and certainly no politician can be successful with a country this large. It just doesn't work. Its time to start amending the constitution. Its time to divide our country into smaller countries (the state idea obviously isn't working). Let's see if the slave states' anti welfare and anti socialism tune changes when they stop getting welfare from the blue states. The educated states who believe in gravity have been re-distributing their wealth to the slave states since the beginning of this country. I wonder why it is you never hear a slave stater declaring that this is unjust and that the blue states are being punished for their success. hmm. i wonder.

@striike
our constitution and country were not designed to support 300+ million people. No gvt program can work, No government can succeed and certainly no politician can be successful with a country this large.

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China? India?

(BTW, nice diatribe. Bill Maher couldn't have done better.)

lee please update us .are you still a trust fund baby???? does this explain your dislike of bussinees and your family who provides for you.

lee please update us on your status as a trust fund baby. does this status cause you to dislike bussiness and your family????

jax.

"China? India?"

i said OUR constitution was not designed for 300+ million . thank you for proving my point. we do not have the same laws, organization, or structure as china or india. THANKFULLY.

@striike
"China? India?"

i said OUR constitution was not designed for 300+ million . thank you for proving my point. we do not have the same laws, organization, or structure as china or india. THANKFULLY.

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Ok, so our constitution can't handle 300+ million but China's and India's apparently can? So we need to be more like them?

lol i'm assuming you are poking fun at me now. in the event that you are not... we do not want to be like china or india. they both have horrible governments, with policies that do not value human life.( much worse than ours). that is my point. we should be nothing like them. we should divide our country into smaller countries.

@striike
... That is my point. we should be nothing like them. we should divide our country into smaller countries.

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Why not just get back to the full force and meaning of the 10th Amendment? Then we'll have 50 countries automatically. (Just like we were supposed to have in the beginning.)