Covering Lots of Thingsby Daniel Negreanu | Published: Feb 04, '12 |
I started off the year decently with a 5th place finish in the super high roller in Bahamas. Had an all around great time at the PCA, probably the best trip I'd ever had there. I had so much fun that I decided to attend the Aussie Millions for the first time in a long time. Melbourne is a great city. Last two times I went to Australia I spent all my time in Sydney, but I love both cities.
I played the $100k super high roller which had a 30 second shot clock for each decision which actually works out pretty well with so many of the younger players today taking an inordinate amount of time per decision. Some of these guys are just absurd with how long they take, and yes, I'd call it a pet peeve for sure.
I couldn't get anything going in that one really, getting coolered and bad beated early on but I played extremely well I thought. I then played the main event and played really well outside of one crucial mistake where I chose to play a big pot preflop with QQ vs AA in a spot where I could have saved a lot of chips by playing it slow.
Losing a Million
I didn't plan on playing in the $250k crap shoot event, but after winning a bit of money in the TV cash games I figured I may as well and was really in "poker mode" anyway. To make a long story short, that event was devastating in several ways. I was chip leader 5 handed but it only paid three spots with 3rd paying $800k. With 4 left I was up against Phil Ivey, Patrik Antonius, and Gus Hansen, you know, the guys from those Onyx Cup ads. Haha.
Gus was short, and I seriously wasn't getting an even remotely playable hand so I folded down from 1.2 million to 700k. Gus just seemed to keep splashing around and winning pots and all of a sudden with blinds at 25k-50k I had 765k, or 15 big blinds. Patrik raised on the button and had about 19 big blinds so I was quite sure that he couldn't call an all in without a premium hand because of the enormous bubble. I also felt like, since I was 4/4 it was my turn to be the aggressor just a little bit because these guys weren't about to play any bit pots on the bubble. With A8 I shoved and he insta called with JJ. I busted, which felt just like losing a million dollars. I remember waking up the next day a bit anxious, it's been ages since I felt like that.
The next night myself, Jason Mercier, his fiance Erica, and Patrik and his wife Maya went to see the finals of the Aussie Open and wow what an experience! Aside from having to see Patrik's mug all night, and the constant reminder of him busting me in the tourney, it was great to watch the event live and the match was insane. Almost a 6 hour battle.
Account Hacking
I flew out of Melbourne on the 31st and when I landed something crazy happened. I tried to log into my hotmail account and it kept saying my password was wrong. I tried a few times and was puzzled and slightly worried. I had dealt with a hacker situation with a friend in the past so I knew that it was likely my email got hacked. My main concern was just having my private e-mails exposed. I have absolutely nothing to hide, really, but there is personal stuff in there about other people and I would feel bad if that got out.
I got a whatsapp message from Lex that said, "What was that all about?" I had no idea what he meant, then it dawned on me that if my email was hacked, maybe someone hacked my PokerStars account. I checked on twitter to see if there was anything on there about it, and saw one @ reply mentioning a hand I played against takechip the night before. At that moment I feared the worst. I texted my assistant Patty to see if she could log into my email account, called my agent Brian to find out if there was any activity on my Stars account.
I got the news back pretty quickly that the hacker did get into my account for a joyride. Something I'll never understand. He didn't dump money to any one specific player, he kind of just sprayed my money around several tables, ultimately losing $61,000 of my money. Not entirely sure why he didn't empty my account, but I'm thankful that he didn't.
In cases like this, it's clearly spelled out in the PokerStars user agreement, that if your email is hacked you won't be reimbursed by the company... no matter who you are. Since it's clear that my account was hacked, and it wasn't the fault of PokerStars in any way, I just have to eat the loss. Since I'd essentially lost a million a few days earlier, the $61,000 didn't really sting all that much. I was just happy to recover my email account from the hacker.
There is an ongoing investigation, obviously, and I'm hoping they catch the guy. I wish old school Las Vegas rules applied in cases like this, where you could take the guy out to the desert for an afternoon and get some justice, but alas, we don't live in that world any more. I feel an appropriate punishment would be a few swift baseball bat swings to the groin area, and possibly a castration, but that's just me :-)
Many have asked me if I was using an RSA token. The answer is no, but I will be acquiring one for future play on PokerStars. Truth is, I just didn't really understand the technology all too well and felt like it was a bit of a hassle to use, so I chose not to. I recommend that you get one, it's actually simpler than you'd think. It's like a little keychain "thingy" and the only way to access your account is to enter a number that appears on that key. Once you are in, the number will change for the next time. This way, a hacker would have to also acquire your RSA token to gain access to your account. I think they are about $15 and you can use FPP's to buy them from the PokerStars VIP store. Truth is, with an RSA token PokerStars security is rock solid. If someone is able to hack your email account, while that sucks for you, if you have an RSA token in your possession they cannot access your PokerStars account.
So the money is gone. I am not getting any special treatment whatsoever. Had the money been dumped to one account and that player tried to cash it out, I imagine something could have been done, but that's not what happened here. You simply can't ask the players who won money off the hacker to simply give it back. It's just not even an option. I accept the decision and think it's totally fair. In fact, there is precedence as it's happened to other people, so under no circumstances would I even accept special treatment in this case. It wasn't offered at any point, but even if it had, I would have said it is totally unfair.
PokerPlayer Magazine
I have done several interviews with PokerPlayer in the past, but there were a couple adjustments made to my latest cover story interview that I took exception with, because I didn't say it. I talked to them and they offered me the opportunity to set the record straight and I did so by writing a small piece for them on the state of the game, and how I felt what I said was being misrepresented.
The cover was a picture of me and it said, "How I conquered Online Poker." I never said that and certainly don't believe it to be accurate. Had it said "How Daniel Negreanu conquered Online Poker" then that would be an opinion. Not a good one, but an opinion nonetheless. My online game has certainly improved, but I cringed a little bit when I saw that headline.
There were two other phrases I didn't like. The Title being "What's Wrong with You?" and then "Daniel Negreanu is asking what the hell is wrong with players today?" That seems rather combative and isn't accurate. I was referring mainly to the state of televised poker in the US at the moment, and how the lack of online poker funding for shows, coupled with a limited crop of younger players who combine a high skill set and a big personality, makes it a tough sell in the US at the moment and we are seeing a lull in coverage. It wasn't at all a diss on the great young players in the game in the least, and I felt like the lead intro to the article made that unclear, so I decided to clear it up.
They edited down my comments about Ray Bitar, Howard Lederer, and Chris Ferguson, but they definitely got the gist of my vitriol towards them. I'm disgusted by them and what they've done to smear the game with putrid decision making. Ray is a buffoon, Howard is arrogant, condescending, and incompetent, and Chris is a liar and has the warmth of a snow pea. These were never my friends, I never cared for any of them. I never trusted them for a second, and my "read" was always that these were not my kind of people. Why are they different from the rest of the group? These three were on the board, admittedly making all the decisions, and jeopardizing millions of dollars worth of players money that still hasn't surfaced. You guys suck. I hope to never see any of your faces at the WSOP anymore, and I hope you live with the shame you deserve for the rest of your lives. Your own personal, private hell. You deserve all the wrath you've received from the poker world, and much more. You are scum and each of you absolutely deserves a few swift baseball bat swings to the groin area, old school Vegas style.
Personal Stuff
Add up the bubbling the million dollars, getting hacked, and the PokerPlayer magazine article, and it doesn't even come close to the betrayal I dealt with this week on a personal level. I'm shocked and disgusted. This has nothing at all to do with poker, or money, but it is the worst betrayal I've ever dealt with in my life and I am genuinely grossed out. As the title states, it's "Personal Stuff" so I can't go into detail, but it capped off an eventful January in a pretty big way.
Poker
As disheartening as the bubble was, I thoroughly enjoyed playing poker in that event and in the cash game prior. It really got my juices flowing and I just love playing against top competition. I had a chance to play with Ivey again, both in the main event as well as the two high roller events, and he was a motivating presence. We caught up, and actually had more strategy based discussions than we'd had in ages. This is going to come off really wrong, but I don't care because it's true: he reminded me of a lot of things I taught him about tournament poker years ago. Phil wasn't really a "tournament guy" when he was younger. He was a cash game grinder and needed to make some tweaks to his approach to tournaments. Some of the concepts I talked to him about absolutely helped him improve his tournament results and I was happy to see it. He returned the favor last month. My gosh, it's so clear to me now. I can't wait to play another tournament. There are a few things he does differently, that I've always done differently, that I got away from a little bit.
I thought Ivey played remarkably well in the $250k and the other two events. He was really into it, and seemed to care. Poker is definitely better off with him back in the game and he seemed fired up for a big 2012 which should make poker fans happy.
My next trip is going to be in Brazil Feb 15-21 for the LAPT event and some fun at Carnivale. Right after that I'll be playing back to back WPT events at the Commerce and then Bay 101. I feel really good about a big score coming soon. I can't wait.
Personal Life
I definitely shouldn't be sharing this, but I can't help it, I have nothing to hide and I'm not uncomfortable in the least with sharing aspects of my personal life. I was dating Krisztina Polgar, Miss Hungary Earth 2008 up until about September of last year and she is an absolutely beautiful woman both inside and out. She treated me better than any woman ever has and I genuinely appreciated it. Things didn't work out, but I still consider her a friend and always will.
After that relationship I decided to take six months off any serious relationships and I think it was a really good decision. I've got another two months to go, and then maybe I'll be open to something like that again, but as for now, I'm staying single and just focusing on me. It's been a lot of fun, and I'm happy with where my life is headed and really excited about the future.
Poker Ambassadors
I've always taken that role seriously. I know that I'd make for an awful politician because I always prefer to choose the brutal and honest truth and I'm not afraid to rock the boat. My history and track record has proven that to be the case. I've never screwed anybody out of money, I've never cheated anybody, and I've never been one to sit idly by when I see people doing wrong. I'll call them out when appropriate. Whether it was Men Nguyen, Annie Duke, JJProdigy, Russ Hamilton, Howard Lederer, etc. it's our responsibility to shed light on any shady behavior that people in our industry are involved in.
I've never been involved in any scandal. I do my best to associate with people I trust and that's served me well over the years. I've spoken out on several big issues over the last 10 years or so, sometimes standing alone, but I've yet to be left with egg on my face. For years I told everyone UB was shady, well before the first of the many scandals broke. I have a lot of "I told you so's" saved up, but they don't really serve any purpose after the damage has been done.
When it comes to big picture poker issues I'm always on the side of the majority of players. Not just the top pros, but what would be best for the game as a whole. I'm a rules nit, a structure geek, and as Joe Hachem pointed out at the Aussie Millions, "You always see all the angles don't you?" I'm very anal about creating a level playing field where nits and shot takers can't bend rules to their benefit.
It feels like now, more than ever, poker needs more positive ambassadors to help promote the game globally. Guys like Phil Galfond who's been one of the bright spots of the younger generation, simply gets it. His blog about online poker was a must read and it's clear as you read it that he really cares about "what's best for poker" rather than what's best for him. We need more guys like that to step up and speak out.
One of the sacrifices about being an ambassador to the game is that sometimes people aren't going to like you, or what you have to say, especially if it negatively impacts them. You could lose some friends, but they probably weren't worth keeping anyway.
Daniel Negreanu is the 2004 CardPlayer Magazine and World Poker Tour Player of the Year. He presents his poker strategies in one-on-one virtual training at pokervt.com and writes a weekly syndicated newspaper column.
Read all of Daniel Negreanu's poker blog and poker articles at Full Contact Poker.
Comments
I_P_Freely
over 1 year ago
No way do Ivey, Harman, Hansen, Lindgren, Juanda, Matusow, Seidel, Flack, and the rest get a free pass. Just because they weren't on the board deciding how much to steal doesn't mean they're innocent. They all used their names to promote FTP and sign up customers -- then they all took money that was stolen from those customers. It probably won't happen but the WSOP and the Poker Hall of Fame should do the right thing and issue lifetime bans to all members of Team Full Tilt. It may not matter as far as the WSOP goes -- fear of an "old school" Vegas ride to the desert will probably keep them all away.
kenealy13
over 1 year ago
"I know that I'd make for an awful politician because I always prefer to choose the brutal and honest truth and I'm not afraid to rock the boat"
Actually, you'd make a fine politician. Unfortunately, you wouldn't get elected! The ACTUAL politicians are the ones that make for an AWFUL politician. Irony.
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Eddie1
over 1 year ago
well said.. very well said :-)
Freckles99201
over 1 year ago
Daniel has long been alone among celebrity players for being on record with all these issues for years. Reading his accurate dis's are the reason I never played on Ultimate Bet (UB) Or Absolute Poker.
Since Black Friday, the "Card Player" coverage of FullTilt has
been reserved & superficial, and after-the-fact. Only Daniel is on record slamming the 3 titans of Full Tilt who erred so grievously and greedily. Daniel works very hard to be honest and forthright and it shows as he writes THE BEST BLOG in poker.
Clearly he endeavors to be and succeeds at being the most substantive celebrity poker player with the most depth and analysis, Cudos, Sir!
SiN8FuL
over 1 year ago
I_P_Freely don't u think that is a bit harsh? I'm not sure but I don't believe that all full tilt members were aware of the scandal. That's like firing the kid at the drive threw window because his boss is stealing. Maybe your right but you can only speculate as to the knowledge of misconduct that non board members had.
I_P_Freely
over 1 year ago
Do you punish the kid at the drive thru if the boss is stealing and he's making minimum wage? No. But what if the "kid" is some type of minor celebrity who is using his fame to bring in victims. And what if the boss who is stealing is then sharing some of what he steals with the kid? Because that is what happened at Full Tilt.
From the news reports it appears that Howard Lederer ended up with about $42 million that belonged to FTP customers. And Phil Ivey and Erick Lindgren (among others) each ended up with about $4 million that belonged to FTP customers. A thief is a thief.
WPS22
over 1 year ago
Ivey was paid $40 M too. 4M is what he owes FTP from loans they gave him. If you are going to be negative in every single post you could at least get your negative facts straight.
THEJOEF
over 1 year ago
Once again Danny leaves Phil Helmulth out of the UB reference its always Annie Duke.I just hate the way this guy pretends to be real.
Annie Duke has more game and brain then you could ever dream to have. I personally could care less about any of them. "you shoot the angel you live with the outcome". Dan, playing high roller events means zero to the poker community. You have completely lost touch. Winning in a field of 16 people that are free rolling ,come on man!
They all knew the score at Full Tilt and if they can buy and con their way out of it ,good for them. Its just another hand of high stakes poker.
TheMaj
over 1 year ago
Before one splashes around opinions and spews nonsense it might help to get all the facts.Before people accuse Matusow, Lindgren, Ivey etc. of being thieves and stealing online players money much more investigation needs to be done. If Ivey for instance who is considered one of the world's top players got entry fees paid and perhaps stake money for shows like Poker After Dark and High Stakes Poker as a representative of FTP I would think that he had every reason to believe he had a legitimate business relationship. Even if many of these players had a line of credit with FTP for their online accounts one needs to prove that they knew that the source of the money they were receiving was fraudulently taken from player accounts.Let the DOJ and the poker community get it's revenge on the crooks, but let's not smear everyone in our anger without justification and proof.
texasroadgambler
over 1 year ago
TheMaj:
Well written analysis.
I_P_Freely
over 1 year ago
Matusow, Lindgren, Ivey, etc. all borrowed money from FTP and never paid it back. That is stealing regardless of if they money was fraudulently taken from players' accounts or not. And it is stealing regardless if the money came in the form of cash, tournament buy-ins, or stake money.
As far as it being money from a "legitimate business relationship", give everyone a break. If it wasn't taken from players' accounts, then where did it come from? And why are the players' accounts now empty?
If these deadbeats would have paid their debt to FTP then they could have walked away without being considered thieves like their colleagues. But they did not, will not, and can not pay their debts.
TheMaj
over 1 year ago
Absurd..Unless you've seen ( have knowledge of) how the money was accounted for and who knew what when. If someone loans me a hundred dollars (a friend or business associate say) I would assume they earned that money in a legitimate manner; Perhaps from their job say. If on the other hand they say "here's a c-note from the liquor store I robbed." Then I have knowledge of a criminal act and I'm accepting illegal proceeds. There's a huge difference there. Do you have knowledge of the terms of these loans or what the repayment agreements were? Have you been told by any of the individuals named their future plans or even know how they're dealing with these allegations? By the way in this economy millions of Americans have defaulted on loans on either their homes or cars due to loss of jobs or other catastrophe. In your way of thinking they are all deadbeats and thieves. I don't buy that.
I_P_Freely
over 1 year ago
You need to learn some basic law. Accepting and possession of stolen property is illegal. Those who do so can have the property confiscated and can be prosecuted. Ignorance of "not knowing it was stolen" does not matter one bit. If you don't believe it, just ask any pawnbroker.
Ronin555
over 1 year ago
No doubt, Lederer and company ruined Full Tilt with their greed and seedy business practices and, in the process, cost a lot of players serious money. But, the U.S. Attorney's Office deserves most of the blame for this debacle. What ever guilty pleas they are able to wring from those it indicted notwithstanding, this was a sham prosecution. Without a sufficient statutory basis, our government destroyed FT -- only to oversee negotiations for its sale to buyer. This makes a lot of sense.
It sounds like many people are scapegoating Lederer, etc.
texasroadgambler
over 1 year ago
Ronin555:
Since your are stating legal opinions, e.g. "without a sufficient statutory basis..." perhaps you would like to provide us with your legal bona fides.
And the "U.S. Attorneys's Office deserves most of the blame for this debacle."? Perhaps you might consider finding a new dealer for your halucinogens?
bmpek
over 1 year ago
once again tex speaks from vast experience of living better with medicine.
I_P_Freely
over 1 year ago
The justice department did not destroy FTP. It was a ponzi scheme and all the justice department did was shut it down after $400 million was stolen instead of letting it get bigger and bigger. Pokerstars was shut down in the US, but was not destroyed because Pokerstars' owners and managers had not looted their customer's accounts.
GhostFaceKillahRabbit
over 1 year ago
What the justice department apparently is going to do is sell the company's name and European assets and operations on the cheap to a guy with political connections in France, and let everyone off the hook for ever paying back anything to US players beyond whatever money the government has already seized or frozen. Unhappy customers who want to retrieve any of that DOJ seized cash will be welcome to submit their personal information and online gambling history to a DOJ that has a history of funny and varying ideas on what constitutes prosecutable illegal gambling and is sitting on a pile of cash it would probably prefer to keep. Even in the case of successful claims, "winnings" will not be returned, only documented deposits. Please don't read any of the above as absolving anyone who ran the Full Tilt scam of any blame they deserve, but don't pretend that the DOJ has acted in the best interests of the victims of their scam.
THEJOEF
over 1 year ago
Are you people serious or just bored?
This is all one big hustle and never forget it.
Ronin555
over 1 year ago
Texasroadgambler, do you always stoop to directing nasty comments at people offering opinions that differ from your own? The internet provides many people with an outlet for their frustrations and the courage that only comes with anonymity. I very much doubt you'd have the guts to say something like that to someone's face.
If you're interested, my analysis can be found at http://www.relentlessdefense.com/our-team/kevin-j-mahoney/commentary-on-high-profile-cases/u-s-attorney-s-office-on-tilt/
As I indicated above, I'm not absolving Lederer and the other scoundrels who pillaged Full Tilt. However, the U.S. Attorney's Office's drastic and baseless attack on the company destroyed it as a viable business and did so in a way that resulted in the players losing millions that they may never recover. Once the U.S. Attorney's Office struck, the defendants naturally went silent and we, therefore, haven't received the full story. I've been a defense lawyer long enough to know that you cannot trust federal prosecutors' accusations.
texasroadgambler
over 1 year ago
Ronin555:
Well now you have allegedly posted your legal bona fides. So, we can give some credence to your opinions expressed as legal opinions.
Your analysis that you have posted up is much too comprehensive to discuss in a blog such as this.
So after reading it, I'll give you my analysis of you as if you were a poker player, which you might be:
From you first paragraph above, I deduce that you are much too thin-skinned to be a winning high stakes player. You would have a tendency to go on tilt too easily. A defense attorney offended by someone with an opinion differing from theirs? Really? Thin-skinned litigators, assuming you are one? Really? I think you would be easily induced to go on "full tilt".
From reviewing your article, some of which I agree with, I deduce that you would have a tendency to overplay quite a few of your hands. Your constant use of hyperbole in your analysis such as "brazenly seized", "friends recoil", "crippling fear", etc. informs me of that.
On to my last observation: Was your article an attempt to "get a game up"?
Try to stay out of high stakes games.
I_P_Freely
over 1 year ago
Ronin, so far everything you have posted has been wrong. Why don't you keep your record perfect by explaining this:
You state the US Attorney's "drastic and baseless attack" destroyed Full Tilt Poker and caused all their customers to lose their money. Why didn't the same "attack" destroy Pokerstars?
TheMaj
over 1 year ago
"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still" It is much easier to convict in the court of public opinion than it is in a court of law. I P you claim that I need more knowledge of basic law..but never answered any of the questions I posed to you. You seem to pronounce several members of the Full Tilt team including Ivey, Matusow and Lindgren as thieves. It seems if there was evidence of this then they would be under indictment. I contend you have an axe to grind. You can't be so obtuse to not understand that there's a difference between knowingly accepting illegal proceeds and obtaining those proceeds in what was thought to be a legitimate arrangement. Yes in either case those proceeds might be subject to seizure, but having prior knowledge makes one a conspirator. There is a huge moral difference there. Excuse me if I choose to wait for all the facts to come out before I'm willing to smear people's reputations and pronounce them criminals.
I_P_Freely
over 1 year ago
Wow. When I questioned your knowledge of basic law I thought you knew a little bit. I was wrong. You know nothing. Please review the indictments against Lederer, Bitar, Furst, and Ferguson. You will notice that they are not indicted for looting FTP or for not repaying loans. These are civil matters, not criminal matters. There is a difference. You should look it up. This is why Ivey, Matusow, Lindgren, and the rest of the thieves are not under indictment. Just like you would not be indicted if you borrowed money from a bank and failed to repay it. Instead, the bank would take civil action against you to recover their debt. The same thing will happen eventually with FTP. When the deal to sell to the Frenchie con-man fails there will ultimately be a court-appointed receiver to collect FTP assets and pay debts as much as possible. This receiver will no doubt pursue the bad debts owed by Matusow, Ivey, Lindren, and the rest. With civil action, not criminal action.
Please stop posting when you don't know what you're talking about. Thanks.
Ronin555
over 1 year ago
As I said above, anonymity gives individuals courage that rarely possess in real life and to ability express opinions with little connection to the real world. The lawyers I go up against have a little too much sophistication to stoop to the nonsense I've read in your posts.
As far as my poker playing goes, you are amusingly off the mark. But, thanks for the laugh and for putting so much effort into your post.
To TheMaj, I suspect you don't pick off many bluffs. I haven't absolved those running Full Tilt of blame. Everyone incensed at Lederer, etc., forgets that the U.S. Attorney's Office did not launch this legal assault on these poker internet sites to protect players' funds, but to cripple these enterprises as viable businesses (and, in process, greatly undermining the ability of these sites to repay player funds). As is too often the case, the U.S. Attorney's Office attacks without adequate legal foundation, uses the media to tar and feather the accused, and relies on it's awesome power, together with the awful Federal Sentencing Guidelines, to intimidating those it's indicted to plead guilty and, likely, pay enormous fines. But, I guess some people aren't savvy enough to see through the self-serving statements of these prosecutors.
texasroadgambler
over 1 year ago
"The lawyers I go up against...", you wrote. Yeah, right!
Your masquerade is weak as a popcorn fart. You would have us believe that you are the attorney in Cambridge, MA who authored the article your link takes us to. Yeah, sure you are!
I suspect that you're just a paid hack from one or more of the culprits involved in the scam.
Like I wrote before, stay out of high stakes games.
I_P_Freely
over 1 year ago
Ronin: I repeat:
You state the US Attorney's "drastic and baseless attack" destroyed Full Tilt Poker and caused all their customers to lose their money. Why didn't the same "attack" destroy Pokerstars?
Stop avoiding the question.
I_P_Freely
over 1 year ago
So what's the deal, Ronin? You state this:
"Everyone incensed at Lederer, etc., forgets that the U.S. Attorney's Office did not launch this legal assault on these poker internet sites to protect players' funds, but to cripple these enterprises as viable businesses (and, in process, greatly undermining the ability of these sites to repay player funds). "
Why did Pokerstars have no problem repaying player funds???
texasroadgambler
over 1 year ago
Looks like Ronin555 the masquerading "lawyer" has left the building.
That's appropriate, since the looted funds have long ago left the jurisdiction of the U.S.
Seattle_Slew
1 year ago
Daniel, you've always been my favorite player. This latest entry on your blog explains why. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and life with us. All the best!