What a Hand, What a Game!

by Roy Winston |  Published: Oct 18, '09

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I played in an interesting live game the other night, and I do mean live. It was a $10-25 with an automatic straddle of $50. The usual starting buy-in is around $5,000 but as the night progresses, buy-ins of $20,000 are common. It’s interesting to note that at Commerce or the Bellagio, the initial buy-ins are almost always in the 10-20k range for this size game, although some “short stack” it with 5k.

In this game one or two pre-flop raises is the usual case and most flops are seen with 3-5 players. Even with a large isolation re-raise you almost always get one or two callers. I would like to share a hand which occurred towards the end of the night. It had been an up and down night for me and I finally was solidly in the black, I was dealt A 3 of spades in the big blind. UTG+1 raises to $100 and three called when it came to me and with a suited ace in a 5-way pot, it’s an insta-call. So the flop comes the 4 5 of spades and the ace of clubs. I check and the initial raiser throws in $250 into a $500 pot. One-player folds and everyone else calls. Now you could make an argument for re-raising here, and it would be a good one, with top pair + a gutter-ball + the nut flush draw and perhaps getting 4:1 on my money it would be a hugely positive EV. However in this game the likelihood of getting paid off if I hit is very high and with the hands some of these guys play I am sure there is another lower flush draw and someone with 2 pair, so controlling the pot size doesn’t hurt me here.

The turn brings a red 2 and gives me the wheel, and with the redraw to the nut flush or perhaps even a straight flush, I felt pretty good. The same initial raiser guy bets $250 and with 2 callers in front of me I raise $500. I picked this amount because I wanted to keep in the flush draws and as long as the board doesn’t pair I feel invincible. Guess what, they all call. The river brings a red king, and although I would have preferred the 2 of spades or any non-pairing spade, it was a good card for me.

With $6,000 in the pot I try to pick a value bet that will keep at least one or two of them in so I bet $1,500 and try to make it look like a missed flush bluff. To my complete surprise, two call and the last guy raises $1,500. Now the only hand that beats me is 3 6, and it he can’t be the 3 6 of spades because I have the 3 of spades. This surprises me and he could have AK or even a set. I decide to just call for two reasons, the first and main one being I wanted the others to call. I realize that in must normal situations there is no way someone is overcalling here, but this is not a normal game. Secondly maybe this guy did call pre-flop and on the flop with 3 6.

Yes sir, sure enough he had 3 6 off-suit. So there went my profit for the night. Somehow I managed to break even for the night. I guess I should have raised the flop, but hindsight is always 20/20 and who knows he might have called and I get stacked off.

Roy Winston finished 16th in 2007 Card Player, Player of the Year race. He won the WPT Borgata Poker Open and finished the year with well over $2 million in tournament poker winnings. Roy plays online exclusively at Full Tilt and writes one of the most respected columns in Card Player magazine. For more information on Roy Winston, you can visit his website: www.oraclepoker.net or send an email to: winstonpoker@yahoo.com with your questions or comments. The contents presented herein on this blog are purely the opinions of Roy Winston, and are not intended to reflect or promote the opinions of any other person, group, or entity. If you like what I write than thanks for reading, and if not well, thanks anyway.

5 Comments

 

YakshaNZ
1 month ago

lololol @ thinking the river raiser "might have AK or a set" when there's a four-card straight on the board and a lead-out with two callers before him :P

 
 

michigan123cl
1 month ago

F-full tilt - They have sent me 2 bad cashout checks and will not answer my e-mails.scam.

 
 

mikeyb111
1 month ago

Agreed. Some guy gets lucky, wins a tourney, and all of a sudden he's stronger than everyone. The game is a joke.

 
 

seamarfan269
1 month ago

It sounds like the "hand" from your homegame-on-steriods went down about like it should have. Why re-raise pre when you can make a hand and get 1-2 river callers. I believe those loosey-goosey games are about pot control as you stated and i applaud your restraint for not value-raising the river as 63 seemed like the least likely of his holdings. I would of thought SET or ACES UP most likely. You told us the mood was loose, but didn't give us specs on the min-raiser. Had he min-raised like this previously with a hand? With a bluff? For value? What was the Villian's M.O.?

 
 

Richenough
28 days ago

hey seamarfan you are correct about alot of things -- but Ive played in loosey goosey games before when people would raise or call with any two cards... especially connectors of any type.... so I understand Roy Winston's concern on the river. Good restraint.

The best card wouldve been 2 of spades to lock in your hand. Im sure you couldve made " seemingly bluff attempt" even though u have nuts (straight flush) and still get about two callers on river.

Good job also in not reraising on the flop-- im sure your buddy would have stacked you off with a call or a push allin for open ended draw.