Poker Buzz -- Online Pros Discuss Leaving The U.S.

good move get rid of the cheaters and scammers and live poker will be much better

meant to say cant make it live

Just a couple of players cheated at online poker?

How about Russ Hamilton at UB?

How about the clowns at FTP who shared hand databases on isuldur?

How about the Chinese colluding by playing multiple seats in SNG's at Pokerstars?

How about Justin Bonomo?

How about Jonathan Little?

How about Sorel Mizzi?

How about Josh Fields?

How about Chris Vaughan?

Those are just a few colluders and multi-account cheaters that the public knows about. How many more are less publicized incidents? And how many more have not been caught?

If you think only a couple of players cheated at online poker you are very naive.

And if you want online poker and the ability to deposit & withdraw money to be licensed & regulated in the US, it will probably never happen -- and you can thank these scumbags for that.

Btw, that's like saying you caught a few people cheating live...which has happened believe it or not!!...and throw the statement out, lets get rid of live poker cause a few have been caught cheating. Whose to say there weren't more cheating in live poker. Whose the naive one? Im not saying there wasn't plenty of cheating, colluding, etc happening online but to say it was happening online and not live is truly naive in my opinion. And to say online poker hasn't helped the live poker boom is also naive in my opinon. Just cause you can't beat online poker and make excuses, such as it isn't "real poker"....

Online poker isn't real poker...lmfao haha wow!!! You're kidding right. You obviously have little experience at poker period to make that statement. But we're all entitled to our opinions I guess. You don't think just as many if not more have cheated live?

I_P_Freely thanks for actually writing down a list of cheaters for me lol. I definitely agree those cheaters are the main reason why online poker will never become legal in the US. The chances get worse and worse each week with new cheaters being revealed especially that spoiled brat faggot jungleman who should be banned from all sites.

Derrick, we're all entitled to our opinions but you really should do more research and quit being so quick to jump to conclusions, make excuses and be so closed minded. Most players online don't need those programs and plenty have transitioned well to live and will continue to crush it.....Galfond,Dwan, Mercier, Elky...need more names? Also still plenty of non big names that will grind lower-mid just as successfully.

men "the master" nguyen? Pretty notorious live cheater. People soft playing each other in cash games. I've sat in cash games with friends, and while sitting next to them signaled what cards I had. This happens all the time.
What if you live hours away from games and casinos? I guess it just sucks for you I guess, right?
Live poker has SO MUCH more variance than online. You can multitable online tournaments. Live, you could easily go 6 months without cashing a tournament or going deep in one. Online, you can play 20-30 in a day like I did.
online poker is so much more convenient than live poker, and there's no denying that.

Just as much cheating live as online.You are delusional if you don't think it will eventualy be legalized in the U.S. it will.The U.S. needs money and this is one of the few ways it can get it without raising taxes on everyone.

tiltagree I don't think u go to live casinos too much. U definitely have not signaled what cards u have to somebody. If u go more than one day u will obviously get caught from the cameras and other players catching on. It's much easier to cheat online than live for sure there is no comparison. By the way no one cares about 80% luck involved donkaments, I don't have much respect for tourney players since anybody can win a tourney. Obviously if someone's playing live there going to be grinding cash games everyday which require much more skill to smooth out the live variance and might play a couple of tourneys every weekend. By the way I live in south Florida which will turn into Vegas within the next ten years.

MLAB1247 I dont know how I am making excuses and not doing my research. My argument is only stating facts about the dark side of online poker and its negative effects on the game as a whole. Ur being pretty naive to the overwhelming advantage and upperhaned all the online programs give to online players. The online players can pretty much sit back and let the computer do all of the work which is why there are so many bots online who just ruin the funnest part of the game which is the person to person strategy involved in real poker. Ur probably not that up to date with all of the different programs out there to cheat with. I guess u still don't understand that there is a big difference between online and live. Because of the difference most players don't transition well perfect example would be shaun deeb who can't win a live tourney for his life. Jason mercier isn't that good of an example he just runs like god in live tourneys than gives most of it back in the cash games, lol. I understand that most of u are online degenerates and will team up on me to defend the only form of life u had, lol. It's all good though just trying to have a good discussion about poker on here. At least someone is smart enough to agree with me that online poker will most likely not become legal in the U.S.

I_P Freely et .al not only do you guys have no idea what you're talking about, you're also doing a huge diservice to poker in gerneral. The success of poker in the U.S. greatly depends on online poker being legalized and regulated.

Also, you prove absolutely nothing by pointing out a few players who had bad World Series. There are good internet players who didn't cash for much, and there are good live players who had bad World Series as well. There are certainly adjustments that need to be made going from online to live, but generally young internet players have done well in the live circuit. If you don't believe me, look at the people who have made (and won) WPT final tables over the last couple of years.

One final point, what is your reasoning for trolling every article on the site. Does it make you feel better about yourself, are you hoping to convince other people to come around your way of thinking? It just baffles my mind that I see the same couple of people posting on every blog or article about internet players. For as much as you hate these guys, you certainly spend a lot of time obsessing over them.

tiltagree stop lying that u made a great living from playing online tourneys, please. if ur were that good u would have no problem playing live, since a great poker player can adapt to any situation and make it beneficial and profitable for himself. Start playing real poker which is cash games but wait u probably suck Post-flop and only know how to push or fold Pre-flop,thats real poker skill lol. Online poker was a good thing for poker but it has now turned into a total scam. Hopefully by some miracle online poker is legalized and especially regulated by an online commitee so there is no more cheating and software using, which in turn will attract more fish to the game since they all have become to afraid to play from all the BS that has happened and goes on.

MALB1247 thinks he is a real good poker player hahaha. Trust me bro i know what iam talking about. Ive definitely put in way more hands then u ever will online and live. Just by your comments your obviously very inexperienced and don't really grasp poker as a whole. If u understood variance u would realize that playing tourneys has the highest variance and is not a way to make a steady living. When a good tourney player is only going to cash in 14 percent of the tourneys he plays it is obviously not the way to go. So keep telling yourself you are a real poker player while the rest of us keep stacking chips at the casino's in south florda, lol.

Trust you huh.....ok well that's good enough for me! Consider yourself TRUSTED!!!

On a reality check note, playing 3 times a week isn't a lot of volume derrick, you'll learn one day. Until then, enjoy trolling.